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held up a mirroe, she went to investigate but wasnt fussed what so ever, the underside of mine looks exactly like the underside of the betta in the first link you sent me. :blink:

not 100% get you lol, urm i would get better pictures but that one was hard enough to take,

i didnt think she look very fem, ill go take another look now. :) no white spot, and it has 2 fins up the side, and like 2 into one undernieth?

was told this was a female, so i just want confermation as im new to betta's thanks guys :)

id be happy for that, what are the orange and the black's like? size?

sorry should have said in the first post!, there are 2 :)

i have a turtle, make sure you have VERY good filteration be aimingo for about 60 - 100 watt of heat, depending on turtle size .

i would say about 2.5"

Bought these from my LFS, but relaised in time there going to really outgrow my tank, so decided to get rid of them asap. idealy im looking to swap for livebearers (guppy's platy, molly's?) im in north wales the fish are in VERY healthy condition Daniel :) EDIT: I wont post!

hey im dan, from North Wales UK! like your forum, full of great information, i look forward to posting more second time i have had tropical fish now, got back into it as i missed it :)