I had a tragedy happen, cause still unknown (or is it?)...

Hello,

On Wednesday I had my 10 guppy fry arrive, as well as aquarium glue, java moss from Tropica, and java moss on a ledge (with a free feeding ring that's being used for my shrimps to surf on).

I've acclimated the fry, meanwhile I attached my moss to one of my rocks with Cyanoacrylate based glue. It's a special glue from Superfish for aquariums, I've used it before on same rock and moss (which has withered away). Only back then I had no problems occur to my shrimps, as I let it sit for much longer and did a water change the next day.

Thursday: I came back very late from work, and counted only 7 fry. I found 2 of their bodies outside the tank, I assumed they jumped. No third body found.

Friday: I came back from work late as well. One of my amano shrimps jumped as well, I found his dried out body outside my tank. One of my cherry shrimps died, was eaten by my amanos equally (It's so weird that they shared).

After I put the fry in the tank, they were scared of everything and kept darting at even shrimps swimming by them. They were quite erratic, and were scratching often at anything. Thursday evening was the same, only yesterday they calmed down and today they're at their best.

Now, I don't know what happened. I know that I slapped on quite a bit of the glue, and that I didn't let it cure for long enough.

Has it leeched into the water column then? I have honestly not had any of my loaches, or shrimp jump out before this. My singular oto is doing ok.

Here's 3 of the 7, they are happily swimming around:


And here's the tiniest one of them! He's very solitary at the moment, does whatever he pleases: (he's behind the shrimp, little yello thingy)

I blame the glue though, it just makes sense.

I don’t typically use carbon anymore, because of the amount of terrestrial plants I have, but I think it’s a good advice to use carbon, when adding anything “unnatural” ( like glue ) to your tank.. fry and shrimp would be most susceptible

Magnum Man said:

I don’t typically use carbon anymore, because of the amount of terrestrial plants I have, but I think it’s a good advice to use carbon, when adding anything “unnatural” ( like glue ) to your tank.. fry and shrimp would be most susceptible

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So that was glue causing me the issues? I asked somewhere else as well, but answers weren't helpful

Jinx_ said:

Hello,

On Wednesday I had my 10 guppy fry arrive, as well as aquarium glue, java moss from Tropica, and java moss on a ledge (with a free feeding ring that's being used for my shrimps to surf on).

I've acclimated the fry, meanwhile I attached my moss to one of my rocks with Cyanoacrylate based glue. It's a special glue from Superfish for aquariums, I've used it before on same rock and moss (which has withered away). Only back then I had no problems occur to my shrimps, as I let it sit for much longer and did a water change the next day.

Thursday: I came back very late from work, and counted only 7 fry. I found 2 of their bodies outside the tank, I assumed they jumped. No third body found.

Friday: I came back from work late as well. One of my amano shrimps jumped as well, I found his dried out body outside my tank. One of my cherry shrimps died, was eaten by my amanos equally (It's so weird that they shared).

After I put the fry in the tank, they were scared of everything and kept darting at even shrimps swimming by them. They were quite erratic, and were scratching often at anything. Thursday evening was the same, only yesterday they calmed down and today they're at their best.

Now, I don't know what happened. I know that I slapped on quite a bit of the glue, and that I didn't let it cure for long enough.

Has it leeched into the water column then? I have honestly not had any of my loaches, or shrimp jump out before this. My singular oto is doing ok.

Here's 3 of the 7, they are happily swimming around:

And here's the tiniest one of them! He's very solitary at the moment, does whatever he pleases: (he's behind the shrimp, little yello thingy)View attachment 349767

I blame the glue though, it just makes sense.

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It won’t have been the glue. There’s really nothing in CA glued that can leach into water once they’re cured, unless you consider microplastic particles but they’re already there in much greater numbers than you think.

Occasionally you may find a thin film of it floating around like something mysterious, if you use a bit too much glue but unless a fish actually ate it, it’s harmless.

CA glues cure upon contact with water - even the water in the air is enough to make it cure.

The instant your glued moss hit the water the glue cured and it was just plastic after that.

We always want to know why things like this happen and we tend to blame whatever we did or used last but CA glue would not make fish or shrimp want to jump out if a tank or kill anything.

I’ve never used glue on plants, in tanks, but there are plenty who do… I would be curious of any of their responses… I would do a big water change, and consider adding activated carbon, with any future use

Fishfur said:

It won’t have been the glue. There’s really nothing in CA glued that can leach into water once they’re cured, unless you consider microplastic particles but they’re already there in much greater numbers than you think.

Occasionally you may find a thin film of it floating around like something mysterious, if you use a bit too much glue but unless a fish actually ate it, it’s harmless.

CA glues cure upon contact with water - even the water in the air is enough to make it cure.

The instant your glued moss hit the water the glue cured and it was just plastic after that.

We always want to know why things like this happen and we tend to blame whatever we did or used last but CA glue would not make fish or shrimp want to jump out if a tank or kill anything.

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What could have been the cause of this then? I tested the water for ammonia and nitrite, both were at 0. This tank is a year old now.
I don't know.. maybe I'm just paranoid?

I believe it's the glue.

Cyanoacrylate-based glues, like Super Glue, don't release any agents when they polymerize. The polymerization process is essentially a chemical reaction where the glue molecules bond together to form a solid substance. No harmful gases or chemicals are emitted during this process.

However, it's important to note that if the glue is not cured properly when if it comes into contact with water before it's fully set, the sudden polymerization release harmful substances.

This I don't really understand why,

But I never took chances, when I add plants with Super Glue I always rinse them for a while in a bucket to make sure the process is completed before adding to a tank.

If you used a good quantity I think this is what happened.

MaloK said:

I believe it's the glue.

Cyanoacrylate-based glues, like Super Glue, don't release any agents when they polymerize. The polymerization process is essentially a chemical reaction where the glue molecules bond together to form a solid substance. No harmful gases or chemicals are emitted during this process.

However, it's important to note that if the glue is not cured properly when if it comes into contact with water before it's fully set, the sudden polymerization release harmful substances.

This I don't really understand why,

But I never took chances, when I add plants with Super Glue I always rinse them for a while in a bucket to make sure the process is completed before adding to a tank.

If you used a good quantity I think this is what happened.

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I think you're completely right. How did I not think of that before? I'll have to do another water change tomorrow. How many changes would I have to do?

Whenever Ive glued plants onto rocks/wood I let them air set for around 1-2 mins then leave them submerged in a measuring jug with about 1 inch of dechlorinated water for around 5-10 mins. If I have any problems with a tank I test first then do a 50-75% water change every day until the problem stops. Other members may say otherwise however

hopefully, your problem can be sorted with wc's

Jinx_ said:

I think you're completely right. How did I not think of that before? I'll have to do another water change tomorrow. How many changes would I have to do?

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As previously mentioned, I would do a big water change and put activated charcoal in your filter to remove any toxins that may have leeched into your water.

Fishfunn said:

As previously mentioned, I would do a big water change and put activated charcoal in your filter to remove any toxins that may have leeched into your water.

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I would if I had.

MattW said:

Whenever Ive glued plants onto rocks/wood I let them air set for around 1-2 mins then leave them submerged in a measuring jug with about 1 inch of dechlorinated water for around 5-10 mins. If I have any problems with a tank I test first then do a 50-75% water change every day until the problem stops. Other members may say otherwise however

hopefully, your problem can be sorted with wc's

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I'll keep doing some water changes then stop and watch the tank. After I did a large one yesterday, I haven't observed any problems today. I get paranoid if I don't see two out of 7 fry, but then I see them all and get sooo relieved!

I gave them TONS of frozen daphnia, lil guys enjoyed this thicc meal until pot bellies

I'm so paranoid right now, I couldn't find 3 of the remaining fry. Then I sprinkled in some food, and the 3 swam out

Otherwise? Great news: NO casualties!

Glad to see this little guy do well: