Lost some Penguin Tetras (original title 'lost some cardinal penguins')

I had white slime over a piece of wood years ago and some of the fish ate it with no harm.

The wood I bought last year had an Aqua One label which said it was azalea root. I've been keeping fish long enough to know that just because a well known manufacturer sells something it doesn't necessarily mean it's safe, but it was only when the water went so cloudy I couldn't see through it that I googled it and found accounts of fish dying after this brand of azalea wood was put into a tank. The cloudiness was so bad that if I'd used in the tank I wouldn't have been able to see if the fish had been poisoned or not.
 
I have to admit to having the white coating on all my wood when first placed into the aquarium and left it alone in the aquariums. The fish nibbled it and eventually it went away on its own accord without any adverse effects on the fish or water chemistry.
Same experience with the woods I've used.
 
A helpful (though maybe incomplete) guide for woods that are safe (or not) for use in aquariums:

 
You can never be too cautious. Having natural ornaments and wood is wonderful in an aquarium, there is no denying that. But just be really really careful.

Two of my aquariums have mangrove roots.....but they are resin with real spiderwood amongst them...the mangroves look real but they have none of the potential hazards (and the fish love them)
 
There are two distinct though related issues concerning the wood. First, the wood itself. Some wood is generally safe, some is not, and the latter should never be put in an aquarium. The link in @Slaphppy7 post #108 concerns this issue. This was not the direct issue that killed @imw penguin tetras.

The second issue with wood has to do with fungus that can be in the wood. This is the whitish fuzz or slime that will appear after the wood is submerged (you never see this fungus on dry wood). Some wood is more prone to this than other types. I have never in more than 30 years seen fungus on Malaysian Driftwood, and I have used an incredible amount of this wood. I did see it on a branchy piece of lighter-hue wood I bought several years ago.

There are dozens of species of fungus in the natural world. Some is generally safe, some is highly toxic. Think of it in terms of mushrooms, which are a fungi. There are mushrooms we eat regularly and they are safe, but there are also deadly toxic mushrooms that can kill rapidly. The same is true of the white fungus that appears on wood when it is submerged. Most mushrooms can be identified once you know what to look for, to avoid the toxic ones, but identifying the fungus on wood in the aquarium requires examination by a microbiologist who knows the species of fungi. There is no way any one of us can otherwise tell the species of fungus.

Some members have noted that their fish ate the fungus that appeared on some wood; obviously this was not a toxic species of fungus. @imw was clearly not so lucky. I had a piece of branchy wood purchased several years ago that developed a shite slimy fungus a day or so after I put it in my 90g tank. I didn't get concerned over this because, as other members here have said, it is usually harmless, or so I thought. But I noticed the fish were respirating much faster than normal, and the cories were lethargic, just sitting on the substrate or a chunk of bogwood, rapidly respirating. There was also a whitish haze in the water, like a bacterial bloom. Instinctively, I considered the wood to blame, and I took it out and did a 90% water change. This cleared the water, and all the fish were normal in their respiration, and continued to be so for several days, so clearly it was the wood.

I scrubbed the wood, and put it in a spare tank with no fish, just water and some plants. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred, so after it had been in this fishless tank for about two months, I thought it was OK and I put it in a tank with fish, not the 90g again but the 33g. Several days later, I found a dead fish, then another, and noticed the rest were clearly having trouble respirating. I discovered on the back side of the branch that I could not see without turning the wood, a patch of the white fungus. The wood got tossed into the back garden.

I consulted a microbiologist friend online and she explained about the many species of fungus, and how only an expert can distinguish them. She did however mention that the branchy wood sometimes called grapewood was particularly notorious for toxic fungi, but as it is impossible to differentiate some of these branchy woods, it is best to be observant. A few days later, I was browsing in one of the quality fish stores of which I know the owner quite well, and another customer was asking for her advice because his cories had all died within two days, and the water was cloudy, and this happened a day or two after he put a piece of branch wood in the tank. I explained the probable issue, and considered myself fortunate that I had been observant enough to recognize something was amiss, and thus saved my fish in the 90g, though I lost a few in the second tank.

In the case "at bar," cycling had nothing to do with the fish loss; the evidence clearly shows it was toxic fungus from inside a piece of wood.
 
There are two distinct though related issues concerning the wood. First, the wood itself. Some wood is generally safe, some is not, and the latter should never be put in an aquarium. The link in @Slaphppy7 post #108 concerns this issue. This was not the direct issue that killed @imw penguin tetras.

The second issue with wood has to do with fungus that can be in the wood. This is the whitish fuzz or slime that will appear after the wood is submerged (you never see this fungus on dry wood). Some wood is more prone to this than other types. I have never in more than 30 years seen fungus on Malaysian Driftwood, and I have used an incredible amount of this wood. I did see it on a branchy piece of lighter-hue wood I bought several years ago.

There are dozens of species of fungus in the natural world. Some is generally safe, some is highly toxic. Think of it in terms of mushrooms, which are a fungi. There are mushrooms we eat regularly and they are safe, but there are also deadly toxic mushrooms that can kill rapidly. The same is true of the white fungus that appears on wood when it is submerged. Most mushrooms can be identified once you know what to look for, to avoid the toxic ones, but identifying the fungus on wood in the aquarium requires examination by a microbiologist who knows the species of fungi. There is no way any one of us can otherwise tell the species of fungus.

Some members have noted that their fish ate the fungus that appeared on some wood; obviously this was not a toxic species of fungus. @imw was clearly not so lucky. I had a piece of branchy wood purchased several years ago that developed a shite slimy fungus a day or so after I put it in my 90g tank. I didn't get concerned over this because, as other members here have said, it is usually harmless, or so I thought. But I noticed the fish were respirating much faster than normal, and the cories were lethargic, just sitting on the substrate or a chunk of bogwood, rapidly respirating. There was also a whitish haze in the water, like a bacterial bloom. Instinctively, I considered the wood to blame, and I took it out and did a 90% water change. This cleared the water, and all the fish were normal in their respiration, and continued to be so for several days, so clearly it was the wood.

I scrubbed the wood, and put it in a spare tank with no fish, just water and some plants. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred, so after it had been in this fishless tank for about two months, I thought it was OK and I put it in a tank with fish, not the 90g again but the 33g. Several days later, I found a dead fish, then another, and noticed the rest were clearly having trouble respirating. I discovered on the back side of the branch that I could not see without turning the wood, a patch of the white fungus. The wood got tossed into the back garden.

I consulted a microbiologist friend online and she explained about the many species of fungus, and how only an expert can distinguish them. She did however mention that the branchy wood sometimes called grapewood was particularly notorious for toxic fungi, but as it is impossible to differentiate some of these branchy woods, it is best to be observant. A few days later, I was browsing in one of the quality fish stores of which I know the owner quite well, and another customer was asking for her advice because his cories had all died within two days, and the water was cloudy, and this happened a day or two after he put a piece of branch wood in the tank. I explained the probable issue, and considered myself fortunate that I had been observant enough to recognize something was amiss, and thus saved my fish in the 90g, though I lost a few in the second tank.

In the case "at bar," cycling had nothing to do with the fish loss; the evidence clearly shows it was toxic fungus from inside a piece of wood.
Thank you Byron. After your advice my tank is as below - sure you agree a BIG improvement (thank to you and Bruce).
 

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Thanks Essay,

so to put the record straight I will detail what I did below.

Set up tank 8th August. I took (removed) jewel internal filter out and added a Oase Thermo 350. Bottom tray was filled with filter floss, next was sponge next was Ceramic filter media (fluval), reminder of trays were left as supplied by Oase.

I used Play sand which was non toxic and pre washed - I washed again my self. The temp was set up at 25c.

I planted 5 plants (I added prime) when filling up). Also added some rocks and bog wood and a piece of wood purchased from LFS.

I used the internal filter to run some activated carbon and some mature filter material.

I left internal and external running until 14th August. I added some more plants Friday 20th August.

I removed internal from the tank. External left running.

I tested tank for Ammonia. Nitrate and Nitrite & pH 2 or 3 time during this period - PH 7 rest I got zero readings.

The next day I added 12 Penguin Tetras, (50 gallon tank). They were fine until a few days later (eating and acting in a normal fashion), I then started to loose the fish in front of my eyes. Tested water again (same results as before).

Did a 50% water change (added prime) and added some more plants ( just as a side note I had floating plants as well from the start) Still having fish loss.

Did a 70% water change - tested water- same results as before then on advice given I remove the wood which had a lots of gunk on it and was very slimy to the touch. Did another big water change (only 2 fish remained at this point) - tested water and LFS tested water - results the same as before bar pH which LFS read at 6.5.

This morning 23/08 did another big water change (prime used). Fed fish (they accepted food (tiny amount given).

Tank temp remains at 25c. Water test done by me were the same as before (but my reading of pH was 7.

The 2 fish are still with me.

HTH
Sorry to say but can we conclude the tank isn't cycled?
 
It doesn't matter if it's cycled or not, there was 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite and 0 nitrate. The problem was caused by driftwood and its removal combined with a water change fixed that.
There was 0 tested on all three what simply is weird.
 
There was 0 tested on all three what simply is weird.

This is what I would expect with plants. I know they are not in the best condition yet, but they do seem to be growing, and given the tank size and the relatively small number of fish, these plants will easily take up all the ammonia that could possibly occur. So using our basic aquarium test kits, ammonia would read zero, nitrite and nitrate the same because there are very few nitrifying bacteria oxidizing the ammonia and then nitrite.
 
There was 0 tested on all three what simply is weird.
Not necessarily. Unless there are nitrates in the source water, a planted tank without fish would read all 0. And apparently when fish were introduced, the plants were using the all the ammonia, which to my understanding would not produce nitrite. No nitrite, no nitrate.
Not saying it is cycled, not saying it's not. But it would seem that the conditions were not the issue and was rather the wood. Time will tell, but I'm rooting for the survivors.
 
Let's keep the discussion friendly and civil, please.

Hi
I have gone over these several times - no it seems can advise what is going on - set up3 weeks ago - added fish on Friday up to this am they were fine - there are no other fish in tank.
I have been reading through this thread and something jumped out at me. From what I'm reading this tanks water parameters are good and the tank is cycled and planted. I see that there is wood in it. When you got the wood, did you get wood specifically made for fish aquariums or was it from the section in the store for terrariums(lizards, snakes). There is a difference. Some wood isn't intended for being submerged in aquariums.
 
I have been reading through this thread and something jumped out at me. From what I'm reading this tanks water parameters are good and the tank is cycled and planted. I see that there is wood in it. When you got the wood, did you get wood specifically made for fish aquariums or was it from the section in the store for terrariums(lizards, snakes). There is a difference. Some wood isn't intended for being submerged in aquariums.
Hi,

My LFS do not trade in snakes/lizards so I assumed it was OK, I spoke to the owner of the LFS today, he advised he was not aware of any problem with the wood and said he had not experienced this issue before. The remining two Penguin Tetra's sadly did not make it. I am now left with no fish, despite doing a number of large water changes (prime added each time). So, after seeking some further advice, (I am running some activated carbon), and to to change this fairly frequently. I plan to use 4 batches (first batch is in now in the filter) of the activated carbon over the next 10 days, and put in fresh activated carbon (in a media bag) every few days, Test the water again - get LFS to do same, and assuming the readings I get and the LFS get, show the water to be safe for fish, I will add some more fish and with a little luck I will not experience any further issues. Watch this space.
 
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