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Kat.C

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I have a Beta fish he was perfectly fine when I got him a month after I noticed he had this white fuzz and this fluff isn't fluffy so I took ot the internet and Facebook and even is telling me that it's bacterial and fungal so I I treated him with melafix and salt off and on for three weeks till the kanaplex came in the mail cuz I can't buy it in my country alot of fish medicine is illegal which is stupid. I've treated him three times twice and no change. On body and face one eye is cloudy clapped fins but responding well still eats. I use prime to help with ammonia spikes and I do a 25% water change once a week and using stress guard checked heater still working
Ph 7.8
ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
nitrate 0ppm
please help 🙏
 

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The reason Kanaplex is illegal is due to it being an anti-biotic and governments around the world are concerned about anti-biotic resistant bacteria killing people. These drug resistant bacteria are caused by improper use and mis-use of anti-biotics.
eg: when doctors give patients anti-biotics for a cold or flu virus. The anti-biotics do not treat viruses.

eg: when people use anti-biotics in aquariums to treat fish and the fish do not have a bacterial infection.

Anti-biotics should only be used on known bacterial infections that have not responded to normal treatments. Even then, you need to know what sort of bacteria is causing the problem and use the correct anti-biotic for that bacteria.

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Bacterial infections appear as red inflamed areas.

The white dots on the fish are not bacterial and look like excess mucous. This is normally caused by something in the water irritating the fish.

Cloudy eyes and clamped fins are usually caused by poor water quality.

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Is there a filter on the aquarium?
If yes, how often do you clean the filter and how do you clean the filter?

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I would stop using chemicals and do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for 2 weeks. I would see how the fish looks after a few days and maybe add some salt (see directions below) if there is no improvement after a few big water changes.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the tank.

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SALT
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt) or swimming pool salt to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria, fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

When you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.
 
The reason Kanaplex is illegal is due to it being an anti-biotic and governments around the world are concerned about anti-biotic resistant bacteria killing people. These drug resistant bacteria are caused by improper use and mis-use of anti-biotics.
eg: when doctors give patients anti-biotics for a cold or flu virus. The anti-biotics do not treat viruses.

eg: when people use anti-biotics in aquariums to treat fish and the fish do not have a bacterial infection.

Anti-biotics should only be used on known bacterial infections that have not responded to normal treatments. Even then, you need to know what sort of bacteria is causing the problem and use the correct anti-biotic for that bacteria.

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Bacterial infections appear as red inflamed areas.

The white dots on the fish are not bacterial and look like excess mucous. This is normally caused by something in the water irritating the fish.

Cloudy eyes and clamped fins are usually caused by poor water quality.

---------------------
Is there a filter on the aquarium?
If yes, how often do you clean the filter and how do you clean the filter?

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I would stop using chemicals and do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for 2 weeks. I would see how the fish looks after a few days and maybe add some salt (see directions below) if there is no improvement after a few big water changes.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the tank.

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SALT
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt) or swimming pool salt to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria, fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

When you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.
Thank you so much! Some things I didn't know. I thought it might be columnaris based on the internet. thinking about what could be irritating and making the mucous could it be the well water being hard i treat it with proper ph 7.0 and it only ever goes to 7.8/8.0 im moving in the next few days and the water at new house is 6.8/7.2 so maybe he'll get better after I move maybe
 
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@Kat.C pH is too high. What are GH and KH ? Stress from bad parameters can lead to many diseases....
 
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Thank you so much! Some things I didn't know. I thought it might be columnaris based on the internet. thinking about what could be irritating and making the mucous could it be the well water being hard i treat it with proper ph 7.0 and it only ever goes to 7.8/8.0 im moving in the next few days and the water at new house is 6.8/7.2 so maybe he'll get better after I move maybe
Columnaris generally kills fish within a few days and causes the fish's mouth to turn white. If it's saddleback Columnaris, then the fish get a large white patch on the back and side of the body and die within 24-48 hours of this patch appearing.

A pH of 7.8-8.0 is not causing this. However, if there are chemicals in the well water, that could be causing the problem. If you are in a rural area with farming properties nearby, there could be herbicide, pesticide or fertiliser leaching into the ground water. You would need to have the well water tested by an independent lab and get them to test it for anything and everything. However, if you are moving soon, I wouldn't bother getting it tested.
 

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