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My power bill is about $40 a month all year round, one of the perks of living by the coast in a warm climate.

My gas bill is around $40 a month in summer and $60 a month in winter (the tap water gets cold in winter :( ). But 60% of that is supply charges and bs paperwork they slug us for. It's just rediculous, $10 worth of gas and $40 for supply. Like wtf, they are freakin crooks.
Man I’m getting hosed... my better half takes care of the bills, but I feel like we’re paying way more than that...
 
We do not have natural gas, so it is expensive because they they have to bring it in by truck as LPG (Liquid Propane Gas) and even though it is a byproduct, they charge a fortune. Our water is really expensive due to having only one reliable aquifer. Any utility here knows they have the upper hand. :(
 
I see that you replied to Utar, and so again I am unsure if you want to hear from me. If not, please feel free to let me know and I'll simply stop. It's never my wish to make folks upset or uncomfortable.
I stopped listening when I learned how much fuel Al Gore used flying around in his private jet to spread the “ Global Warming”” warning.
Between that and your previous post I get the feeling you really don't like Mr. Gore. I'll admit I've only met him once, but I don't really have strong feelings about him. I am sorry to hear when any one decided to close down to hearing new information; making a conscious decision to not to be open to new understanding. It's particularly sad when that results from the actions of a single person.
I argued and refused plastic bags at grocery stores trying to explain that plastic would end up in our land fills where as paper was bio degradable. Everyone laughed at me and said plastic was the way to go because we could re-cycle it. Soon, I could no longer get paper bags. Now they are saying to stop using plastic bags because they ruin our environment, harm fish and animals, etc. Here comes the move back to paper. But wait, what about our trees? And the circle goes around and around.
I really am sad to hear that you stopped listening, especially because of the end of your post which to me someone who has a lot of passion and courage. (Disclaimer: I recognize I don't know, or anything about you. I am trying to ascertain things from writing, and online writing at that, so if my observations are untrue for you, please know I mean no offense.) To me you seem like the kind of person no discussion should lose. Being willing to go against the group and speak out takes bravery. An unsung bravery to be sure; we don't give that type enough credit. But humans are not wired to go against their group. We crave being part of the group. We fear being judged by the group or worse being ostracized by the group. We have a tendency to blindly follow the group and put our better judgement aside. There are a number of studies in psychology that demonstrate this to surprising degrees. As one example, subjects were shown a picture of a cat, and identified it as a cat, but then when the survey group (composed of people in on the study) all said it was a dog, most people changed their minds and stated they in fact saw a dog. The most surprising part is that when the researchers followed up with the subjects a month later they nearly all recalled the picture as a dog. They came to believe what the group's view was against their own senses. So, never underestimate the inner strength it takes to go against the group, especially one you identify with. Though it may seem simple, your speaking out about plastic bags, did take strength. That's what I come away from this thinking of you.

And your frustration about the "cycle" is shared by so many. Of course the classic joke about this is eggs: today they are bad for you and tomorrow they are bad for you - make up your minds, what is it?! We all want clear answers and certainty. Unfortunately, that is not how the process of discovery works. Evidence mounts and it is rarely clean. In the case of eggs, we probably could figure it our if as a society we decided running controlled experiments on our fellow humans was ethical. As it is we just have correlation for health studies. But, I'll show my hand here and say that I unequivocally support the idea that it is naughty to take people and place them under experimentation against their will. Back to discovery, when that back and forth plays out in the media, who love to say the latest study is clearly the definitive answer, it can be frustrating. I understand that completely. But even when it is clear, people don't always want it to be, remember how much cigarette companies wanted to question whether their products were really harmful. The science was clear, but they successfully sewed doubt in the public imagination. I think looking back we can now all agree smoking is n ot great for you. I support people making the choice to do it is they want, but even smokers know it's not improving their health. It's why I always try to let the data lead me. And yes, sometimes the finding go against how I think the world should work. But it is me who needs to adjust. I can't bend reality to my wishes. Though I really wish I could! :D
 
I see that you replied to Utar, and so again I am unsure if you want to hear from me. If not, please feel free to let me know and I'll simply stop. It's never my wish to make folks upset or uncomfortable.

Between that and your previous post I get the feeling you really don't like Mr. Gore. I'll admit I've only met him once, but I don't really have strong feelings about him. I am sorry to hear when any one decided to close down to hearing new information; making a conscious decision to not to be open to new understanding. It's particularly sad when that results from the actions of a single person.

I really am sad to hear that you stopped listening, especially because of the end of your post which to me someone who has a lot of passion and courage. (Disclaimer: I recognize I don't know, or anything about you. I am trying to ascertain things from writing, and online writing at that, so if my observations are untrue for you, please know I mean no offense.) To me you seem like the kind of person no discussion should lose. Being willing to go against the group and speak out takes bravery. An unsung bravery to be sure; we don't give that type enough credit. But humans are not wired to go against their group. We crave being part of the group. We fear being judged by the group or worse being ostracized by the group. We have a tendency to blindly follow the group and put our better judgement aside. There are a number of studies in psychology that demonstrate this to surprising degrees. As one example, subjects were shown a picture of a cat, and identified it as a cat, but then when the survey group (composed of people in on the study) all said it was a dog, most people changed their minds and stated they in fact saw a dog. The most surprising part is that when the researchers followed up with the subjects a month later they nearly all recalled the picture as a dog. They came to believe what the group's view was against their own senses. So, never underestimate the inner strength it takes to go against the group, especially one you identify with. Though it may seem simple, your speaking out about plastic bags, did take strength. That's what I come away from this thinking of you.

And your frustration about the "cycle" is shared by so many. Of course the classic joke about this is eggs: today they are bad for you and tomorrow they are bad for you - make up your minds, what is it?! We all want clear answers and certainty. Unfortunately, that is not how the process of discovery works. Evidence mounts and it is rarely clean. In the case of eggs, we probably could figure it our if as a society we decided running controlled experiments on our fellow humans was ethical. As it is we just have correlation for health studies. But, I'll show my hand here and say that I unequivocally support the idea that it is naughty to take people and place them under experimentation against their will. Back to discovery, when that back and forth plays out in the media, who love to say the latest study is clearly the definitive answer, it can be frustrating. I understand that completely. But even when it is clear, people don't always want it to be, remember how much cigarette companies wanted to question whether their products were really harmful. The science was clear, but they successfully sewed doubt in the public imagination. I think looking back we can now all agree smoking is n ot great for you. I support people making the choice to do it is they want, but even smokers know it's not improving their health. It's why I always try to let the data lead me. And yes, sometimes the finding go against how I think the world should work. But it is me who needs to adjust. I can't bend reality to my wishes. Though I really wish I could! :D
Well, you don’t know me very well. I am somewhat of a rebel. Most of my career was spent as a hospital Patient Advocate. This meant fighting for Patient Rights even when it went against the physicians, nurses, and even at times, our hospital Administration. 32 years and was never reprimanded for standing up for the patients even when it meant going against policies and procedures. I am sorry I have made you sad. God bless!
 
Indeed, I do not. I can see it's time for me to stop.

I hope it is okay if I am quietly in awe of your dedication to the health and care of others. Be well.
 
I haven’t been able to participate on this forum as much as I would like, so I won’t comment on any of the conversations that have been going on.

I don’t have the time to read through 10 pages.

Through the power of the inter web, I have seen social media and news articles about this winter event down in Texas and wanted to let you all know that I don’t understand what you guys are going through.

to be honest, where I live, our infrastructure is designed to deal with these weather conditions, so I am quite comfortable at the moment.

things do look tough down there, so I hope everyone on this forum from that area, their families and their loved ones are well, or at least well enough to get by. Best wishes from up North as you deal with getting through this situation.
"to be honest, where I live, our infrastructure is designed to deal with these weather conditions, so I am quite comfortable at the moment."

That's just it, you answered your own question...infrastructure down here ISN'T designed for frigid, freezing weather conditions, like yours is...ours is more centered on trying to stay cool on summer days when the outdoor temp approaches 100F, and the humidity levels are in the 80's or 90's percentile
 
I see that you replied to Utar, and so again I am unsure if you want to hear from me. If not, please feel free to let me know and I'll simply stop. It's never my wish to make folks upset or uncomfortable.

Between that and your previous post I get the feeling you really don't like Mr. Gore. I'll admit I've only met him once, but I don't really have strong feelings about him. I am sorry to hear when any one decided to close down to hearing new information; making a conscious decision to not to be open to new understanding. It's particularly sad when that results from the actions of a single person.

I really am sad to hear that you stopped listening, especially because of the end of your post which to me someone who has a lot of passion and courage. (Disclaimer: I recognize I don't know, or anything about you. I am trying to ascertain things from writing, and online writing at that, so if my observations are untrue for you, please know I mean no offense.) To me you seem like the kind of person no discussion should lose. Being willing to go against the group and speak out takes bravery. An unsung bravery to be sure; we don't give that type enough credit. But humans are not wired to go against their group. We crave being part of the group. We fear being judged by the group or worse being ostracized by the group. We have a tendency to blindly follow the group and put our better judgement aside. There are a number of studies in psychology that demonstrate this to surprising degrees. As one example, subjects were shown a picture of a cat, and identified it as a cat, but then when the survey group (composed of people in on the study) all said it was a dog, most people changed their minds and stated they in fact saw a dog. The most surprising part is that when the researchers followed up with the subjects a month later they nearly all recalled the picture as a dog. They came to believe what the group's view was against their own senses. So, never underestimate the inner strength it takes to go against the group, especially one you identify with. Though it may seem simple, your speaking out about plastic bags, did take strength. That's what I come away from this thinking of you.

And your frustration about the "cycle" is shared by so many. Of course the classic joke about this is eggs: today they are bad for you and tomorrow they are bad for you - make up your minds, what is it?! We all want clear answers and certainty. Unfortunately, that is not how the process of discovery works. Evidence mounts and it is rarely clean. In the case of eggs, we probably could figure it our if as a society we decided running controlled experiments on our fellow humans was ethical. As it is we just have correlation for health studies. But, I'll show my hand here and say that I unequivocally support the idea that it is naughty to take people and place them under experimentation against their will. Back to discovery, when that back and forth plays out in the media, who love to say the latest study is clearly the definitive answer, it can be frustrating. I understand that completely. But even when it is clear, people don't always want it to be, remember how much cigarette companies wanted to question whether their products were really harmful. The science was clear, but they successfully sewed doubt in the public imagination. I think looking back we can now all agree smoking is n ot great for you. I support people making the choice to do it is they want, but even smokers know it's not improving their health. It's why I always try to let the data lead me. And yes, sometimes the finding go against how I think the world should work. But it is me who needs to adjust. I can't bend reality to my wishes. Though I really wish I could! :D
I think what most people don't like is hypocrites - the Al Gores, the Ted Cruz's of the world. :)

It's hard to believe anything that comes out of their mouths.
 
I think what most people don't like is hypocrites - the Al Gores, the Ted Cruz's of the world. :)

It's hard to believe anything that comes out of their mouths.
So, I am replying with a little trepidation here. I don't want to cross a line and seem pushy or unkind in any way. I do completely agree with you about the impact of hypocracy. I can see why that would be the case. No question.

I suppose the thing I am struggling to understand (and I really do want to understand), is why anyone would write off an entire set of information based on one person's poor behavior. I suppose, an inexact, but similar analogy using your comparison would be no longer listening to any input from conservatives because of Ted Cruz's behavior. If I am making the right comparison here, and people are welcome to correct me if I am not, I feel like that would ignore the potential for valuable input from so many. And I think that would be a tragedy.

I'm not trying to be snarky, or sarcastic (I know it can be tough for me at least to assess another person's tone in writing). I am hoping to better understand a perspective that isn't mine, and it's entirely possible I am way off the mark here. I do see your point about it being difficult to listen to an individual who presents stark contradictions between their professed values and their behavior. That's an excellent point. Thanks!
 
So, I am replying with a little trepidation here. I don't want to cross a line and seem pushy or unkind in any way. I do completely agree with you about the impact of hypocracy. I can see why that would be the case. No question.

I suppose the thing I am struggling to understand (and I really do want to understand), is why anyone would write off an entire set of information based on one person's poor behavior. I suppose, an inexact, but similar analogy using your comparison would be no longer listening to any input from conservatives because of Ted Cruz's behavior. If I am making the right comparison here, and people are welcome to correct me if I am not, I feel like that would ignore the potential for valuable input from so many. And I think that would be a tragedy.

I'm not trying to be snarky, or sarcastic (I know it can be tough for me at least to assess another person's tone in writing). I am hoping to better understand a perspective that isn't mine, and it's entirely possible I am way off the mark here. I do see your point about it being difficult to listen to an individual who presents stark contradictions between their professed values and their behavior. That's an excellent point. Thanks!
Well, I do believe in climate change, so I'm not writing off anything.
 
"And to our fellow Texans here, I fully support the massive refineries you have on the Gulf. For the planet, I rather refine/export petroleum products here with our pollution laws instead of places like Nigeria. But be prepared, the age of electric cars is here."

My town, and many around me (Beaumont, Port Arthur) probably wouldn't exist without the refineries...they employ many, many people here.

It helps that we are right on a river nearby (Neches River) that can handle the big tankers, in and out of the GOM.

The current administration's shutdown of the Keystone Pipeline doesn't help, but won't hurt us as much as some other areas.
Oh, admit it @Slaphppy7 , everyone in Texas is a filthy rich Oil tycoon billionaire. We just don’t want the rest of the Country to know so we live in small houses and drive beat up pickup trucks. There, the truth is out! Now go fetch me my Rolls Royce so I can go to McDonalds. ?
 
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"to be honest, where I live, our infrastructure is designed to deal with these weather conditions, so I am quite comfortable at the moment."

That's just it, you answered your own question...infrastructure down here ISN'T designed for frigid, freezing weather conditions, like yours is...ours is more centered on trying to stay cool on summer days when the outdoor temp approaches 100F, and the humidity levels are in the 80's or 90's percentile
Yep and I’ll put my home up against any of yours in a hurricane. It is designed with hurricane strapping, exterior walls built to codes to sustain hurricane winds, etc. Point is we are all living in areas prepared for what we normally deal with in our individual surroundings. I believe all Texans will agree that we have some elected officials and ERCOT that need to hit the road.
 
We prepare for earthquakes, even though we know when we get hit or our neighbor Mt. Rainier erupts, all might be for naught. But it helps us sleep better at night. When we run out of food and water, we'll become zombie island and, well, you know what comes next.
 
Well, I do believe in climate change, so I'm not writing off anything.
My sincere apologies. I did not mean to imply anything about your stance. All, I was hoping to convey is that I understood your point, and am still not fully understanding the next leap that some make. Obviously, I didn't express that well. I am sorry about that.

Wow, I'm putting my foot in my mouth so much today I'm going to get athlete's tongue! I need to get back to talking about fish. :)
 
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