Wild Duckweed/Aquatic Moss Question

Insomniac

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Hey everyone,

I have three tanks at home right now.

I have one with a Kribensis Pair and a school of Australian Rainbows which is 20 gallons, and another one with two VERY small goldfish and some tadpoles in a 12 gallon, that are going to be moved to a large Sterilite Bin at my next paycheck :alien:

My largest tank is a 33 gallon long that I sealed rather messily myself....in it, I have one moonlight Gourami, one golden gourami, two redeyed tetras, two hifin platys, one sunburst platy, a featherfin catfish, and five zebra danios. I've had most of these fish for years, and most of them were some of my first fish, and have gone through many upgrades since my first five gallon!

Anyways, my question is...the other day, I was driving with my mom and we noticed a large ditch full of rain water/runoff with cattails. My mom likes cattails, and..well, I like exploring mucky places in hopes of finding something interesting...so we pulled over. I was happy to find large clusters of very nice looking duckweed and very green moss growing beneath the water. I collected some, and noticed a lot of snails and boreal chorus frog tadpoles, some with legs. The water smelled like a pond, not like a sewer or anything...I wasn't afraid to step in it, in barefeet, it was quite deep (past my knees in the center) and filled with moss. You could tell it had been there for quite awhile, there were frogs everywhere, and all sorts of creatures living in it.

I collected a bunch of moss and duckweed and floated it in my dogs water bucket, much to his disgust, until we got home...I then rinsed it in dechlorinated, cycled water and put some into my goldfish's tank. The algae cleared up quickly...im not sure if that's because of the plants, or because of all the snails. The goldfish seem a lot more active, and like pecking at the plants, and the water is a lot clearer. I have a aquaclear filter meant for a 20 gallon on it. I realized I also had five tadpoles, to large for the goldfish, but to small to harm the goldfish.

My question is, I have a lot of these plants left over, just waiting in a bucket to be used....I risked it with the goldfish because they're better with pond type environments and critters. Do you think that these plants are clean enough and safe enough, by the sounds of my descriptions, to risk putting them in my other tanks?


Thanks for your help! sorry for the lack of intro, this was sort of a wake up in the middle of the night brainstorm question, and im too tired to make one now -_-
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As its not affecting the goldfish, the best way to do this would be to use the goldfish tank as a quarantine tank for the plants. After 2 weeks you can then move these plants to the main tanks.
 
Insomniac said:
Do you think that these plants are clean enough and safe enough, by the sounds of my descriptions, to risk putting them in my other tanks?
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well where do you live...if they are not suitable for 75+ degree temps, they won't work right off the bat - they will rot gradually (or maybe quickly)...

general consensus around the forum is that it is not worth risking it with all of the parasites, etc that come on these plants....they can wipe out a tank in just a day
 
abstract said:
Insomniac said:
Do you think that these plants are clean enough and safe enough, by the sounds of my descriptions, to risk putting them in my other tanks?
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well where do you live...if they are not suitable for 75+ degree temps, they won't work right off the bat - they will rot gradually (or maybe quickly)...

general consensus around the forum is that it is not worth risking it with all of the parasites, etc that come on these plants....they can wipe out a tank in just a day
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What if I, like previously mentioned, used the goldfish tank as a quarantine tank...there's melafix and a bit of salt in the water, which I put in after adding the tadpoles. I could leave it in there for a while, and then wash it off and put it in the tropical tanks, if that would work...

My other tanks don't have heaters, they're all kind of ghetto setups with a bunch of mix-matched equipment and improvisation, because I rescue animals and have to stretch my budget....I have a few heaters, but I was really having trouble regulating them, and lost a few fish...they haven't had heat before and the livebearers are breeding and the Kribs colours are nice, and such, so I think they're alright....

What do you guys think? Sorry, I'm kind of a newb at some aspects of fish keeping...
 
well using the goldfish in the quarantine tank will do nothing, IMO, besides allow the native bugs, parasites, etc more time to reproduce...if anything you would have to dip in some kind of sterlization solution (i dont know if bleach would or wouldn't be a good choice, so hopefully someone else has an idea)...but i would say they need to be sterilized no matter what...you really, really shouldn't introduce native creatures into tropical setups
 
I'd say fine for goldfish where temps are not too high, bad plan for tropicals as the chances are the plant will die or any nasties will reproduce at lightening speed.
It's generally considered to be environmentally, erm, insensitive, to collect plants and animals from the wild, if not illegal. I don't know where you live nor how common/otherwise the plants you collected are, so aplease don't take this as a personal dig at you!
 
annka5 said:
I'd say fine for goldfish where temps are not too high, bad plan for tropicals as the chances are the plant will die or any nasties will reproduce at lightening speed.
It's generally considered to be environmentally, erm, insensitive, to collect plants and animals from the wild, if not illegal. I don't know where you live nor how common/otherwise the plants you collected are, so aplease don't take this as a personal dig at you!
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Well, the temperature in my tropical tanks is just room temperature, the goldfish tank is only a little cooler.

The place I collected the plants from was a ditch alongside a road in the middle of my city, not like...um...a wildlife reserve, or in a park, or something. It was just a really wet drainage ditch, that the city is going to suck dry quite soon anyways, to prevent the spread of westnile. Two of these tadpoles have already climbed out of the water and have moved onto bigger and better things (a terrarium!) and I'm taking them out to a wetland reserve in a week (I'll give em a little boost first) where their home won't be sucked up by a sump truck... :/

What kind of things could I use to wash the plants? What about very salty water, like following the directions to clean tanks on the aquarium salt box?
 
off topic, but how exactly is your goldfish tank cooler than room temp? lol, don't answer that, nevermind..

a ditch alongside a road in the middle of a city huh? sounds like a place filled with pollution (road debris, trash, decaying matter, pesticides possibly, etc, etc, etc) ...not something you want to introduce into your tank...no amount of rinsing is going to protect your fish from the runoff that goes into the ditch...duckweed and java moss are dirt cheap, don't need special lighting, and reproduce extremly fast so it is not worth risking no matter how much rinsing and sterilising you do
 
Well he could have a chiller, though that is unlikely. :p

I'm trying to get some java moss myself but I wouldn't risk getting it from a roadside ditch. Like abstract said, no telling what kind of stuff has accumulated on it.
 
haha, well, I meant that my goldfish tank is cooler then what the average person would consider "room temperature" to be, because they are in a cement, underground room, away from the sun (shady side of the house) and it always feels like it's air conditioned in there....so the tank is cool.

The ditch is kind of like...um...on a ruralish road...houses on one side, fields for parks on the other, and a four lane highway inbetween with large boulavards on either side of the road and then the ditches...there are malls along this road farther north and farther south. Our city is suffering from Urban Sprawl :blink:

Hmm, alright, I won't put it with my other fish...if I put some outside in a pool and let it reproduce, could I use the resulting plants?
 
It seems very much like you're just asking the same question over and over hoping you'll get a different answer!

The general concensus seems to be that it is a pointless risk introducing anything that has been into contact with unknown pollutants into the tank (and I would include the outside pool suggestion to be encompased by that). If you want to risk it go for it, but I wouldn't for the sake of a few pence. Don't take that as having a go mate, I'm not.

Ps. I like the idea of those tadpoles, you got a piccy for us?
 

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