White Spot Passed On

[Sibelius]

I have read and understood the pineed topic on whitespot. However, if my adult Endler's gave birth last week, and are just today showing 1 or 2 spots, the very first symptoms of the disease, are the Fry likely to already be infected, or if I treat now, am I likely to be able to save them all. I think I may be able to nip this one in the bud, but I'm not certain. Also, should I still run CO2 throught the treatment process, and should I remove my shrimp? (I am going to use Interpet no. 6: Whitespot.) Any help would be appreciated.

 

[mrssittingduck]

i dont think it can be passed on by the birth canal route but i may be wrong,

however a baby fish has little immunity and the parasite can easily latch onto the baby fish ,
the fish live with white spot constantly it just doesnt show itself up until the fish is scared or stressed or ill,
with baby fry i would assume with lower immunity get it more easily although i never had the problem,
have you ruled out water parameters bieng the cause or a "terror fish" in the tank

i would treat the tank now, maybe you cant save them all but you may save a few of them and that is better than non ,

 

[MHunt]

Are the fry in the same tank as the endlers? If they are they may well have been and are infected with whitespot. I would certainly treat the tank the parents are in quickly. Don't just put the temp up and wait and see. Get a dose of something like interpet 9 or similar (whatever your preferred treatment) in the tank today if possible. If the fry are in a separate tank, I'd just observe them until you see any symptoms, not wanting to expose them to any meds unless you have to. I know healthy fish should not be bothered by medical treatments, but fry are particularly sensitive so i wouldn't jump in with a dose of meds yet. You should be doing regular (every day or every other day) water changes with the fry to begin with anyway, this will help to get rid of the whitespot too, just make sure you don't use the same equipment, nets etc from in your healthy tanks in your infected ones to avoid cross contamination.

 

[Sibelius]

My water test is 100%, no nitrite, ammonia, nitrates are 15, pH is neutral. Fry are showing no ill signs, unfortunately I don't have anywhere to move them to. I've got Interpet no. 6 for whitespot. I'll post a picture of the females in a moment, hopefully you'll just about be able to see 3 or 4 white spots on the skin. There aren't many signs as yet, they are rubbing, but only ever so slightly. My only thought is maybe the addition of DIY CO2 has caused the stress, but my water tests don't suggest this.

 

[mrssittingduck]

pnitrates are suppost to be under 25ppm so their is something going in in their,

do a small waterchange, take the charcoal out of ya filter if you have them in and add the treatment

Nitrates become toxic to fish (and plants) at levels of 50-300 ppm, depending on the fish species. For fry, however, much lower concentrations become toxic....

 

[MHunt]

I was sure interpet 6 is anti internal bacteria. Great as a general treatment when there have been a few unexplained deaths, but I'm sure interpet 9 is what interpet call their whitespot treatment.

 

[Sibelius]

Sorry, I mistyped my nitrates, they are actually 15, no problem at all in that department. I definately have Anit-whitespot, rather than any general tonic, and it definately is Interpet number 6. Anyhow, many thanks for your comments and help, should I immidiately change 50% of the water and add the treatment? There are about 5 white scales, as opposed to the normal colours, on each of my female endler's, my fry and other livestock all seem unaffacted, and my water quality is fine.

 

[Sibelius]

Also, are there any known downsides or huge disadvantages associated with adding Interpet anti white spot plus when white spot isn't actually present in the tank? and is it toxic to shrimps? I looked for information on this and couldn't find any.

 

[MHunt]

I wouldn't add a med unless i needed to. And i do think that some whitespot treatments are harmful to shrimps and other crustaceans. I've just checked my bottles too, It is interpet 6 for whitespot, interpet 9 for bacteria! My mistake!

 

[Sibelius]

However, it doesn't say on the bottle that anti whitespot can't be used with inverts, should I risk it to save all my fish and fry? prevention rather than cure etc etc? one thing, the spots aren't actually portruding the skin, I don't know if they should be, but they just appear as white small spot patches beneath the fins? I think that it's early stages of whitespot, but in 2 years of fishkeeping I've enver had a disease, so I've been lucky in that respect, but unlucky in that I have little experience in this part of the hobby!