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What Else Can I Put In Here

paul12590

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hi guys, fairly new to this, i currently have a tropical set up with the following.
albino red tail shark
male fighter
4 female fighters
5 female platys 1 male swordtail
5 gold barbs
2 mollies
2 endlers
8 neon/cardinal tetras
female dwarf gourami
pleco (bn) male

im looking to get some more but what are peoples suggestions, i only want small fish nothing big
 
160 litre tank
 
Keeping male and female fighters together is going to be fraught with danger. Fighters are called fighters because they fight. They live solitary lives, only briefly coming together to breed. Once they have bred, they separate off and go back to living solitary lives. You have 5 housed in a relatively small area (compared to the wild), they will fight, and they will injure each other, potentially killing each other.
 
Add in to this that dwarf gourami are conspecific species, in other words they see each other as a threat, and will fight each other.
 
And in any case, I would say that your tank is pretty much full anyway, and will likely get even more full when the male swordtail breeds with the female platies, if you have any hiding places for fry, then some will survive.
 
i keep being told the same qabout my fighters they have been in the same tank together for the last 6 months with no problems, my gourami keeps itself to itself, it is a very calm communial tank
 
paul12590 said:
i keep being told the same qabout my fighters they have been in the same tank together for the last 6 months with no problems, my gourami keeps itself to itself, it is a very calm communial tank
 
You keep being told this information because it is something you need to hear.  6 months is a really short time in the life of a fish tank so just because it has worked for this long does not mean it will work long term or that it is a good way to keep things.  Whether or not you are seeing it, I am sure that the bettas ( I HATE the term "fighters") are not getting along as well as you probably think and are starting to stress each other.  The gourmani MIGHT be ok but it is really hard to say since gourmani and bettas are not recommended to be kept together.  This is because they both inhabit the same area of the tank (the top cause they both breathe air) and both can be territorial and aggressive.  I highly recommend you fix your stocking before you start seeing the signs that things are not working out because sometimes the first sign of a problem is an injured, or at worst, dead fish.
 
Also just a note about your current stocking (besides the bettas and gourmani), the shark needs a bigger tank than what you have (min 180L although i would probably not put one in under a 200L) and it will get aggressive and territorial meaning that it and the BN pleco could end up not cohabitating very well.  The rest of the stocking seems ok although I would recommend adding at least one more barb and a couple more endlers.  You might be ok to add a shoal of one type of cory cat (6 of all one species) to the tank if you rehome the shark to be a bottom dwelling species but other than that, I don't think I would advise adding any other fish to your tank.  Your livebearer species (platy, swordtail, molly, endler) will soon fill up any "extra" space you may possibly have once they start spawning and producing fry.
 
i hear what people are saying, my only question is lfs i go in there with my stock list and my lfs is the obne who allowed me to have the bettas together as they sold me themand same with the gourami
 
very confused
 
Unfortunately some LFS staff are not particularly knowledgeable - it is just a job to them, they don't necessarily have the passion, and therefore detailed knowledge of compatibility, that the members of this forum have. There is no requirement to pass any sort of test of fish knowledge before you can serve a customer.
 
There are also some LFS staff who are paid a commission on sales, and their advice tends to become very questionable - obviously I don't know if that applies to the LFS that you are going to.
 
Can we see a photo of your male and female bettas please?
 
I must add my agreement to what everyone is saying about this mix of fish.  And perhaps I may be able to add some insight that will help you and others reading to better understand the real problem.
 
The confines of an aquarium, regardless of the size, creates an artificial environment to the fish we place in it.  We put species of fish together and in many if not most cases the fish would never see each other naturally.  And before it is suggested that tank-raised fish don't have these inherent traits, they do.  We cannot re-programme fish behaviour or physiology.  This is why it is so important for an aquarist to understand the habitat and requirements of every fish species he or she acquires.
 
When non-compatible fish (and there are many reasons besides aggression that make fish non-compatible) are forced to co-habit this limited space, one of two things usually occurs.  Sometimes they can become more aggressive; this is their only way to lash out from their frustration at being placed in a situation they do not expect and in which they cannot properly function physiologically.  But sometimes the opposite occurs; fish withdraw because of the same stress and frustration, and their behaviours are not "normal," showing that something is seriously wrong.  This reaction usually causes health problems down the road that would otherwise never occur, and almost always a shorter than normal lifespan.
 
Practical Fishkeeping reported a study a year or so back that was the first to look at numbers of shoaling fish, and that study found that when a shoaling species (shoaling means the fish naturally live in groups, usually numbering in the hundreds) was kept with less than five fish, increased aggression was observed.  Naturally-aggressive species became much more so, and peaceful species became aggressive.  The study concluded that this is a response to a highly-stressful situation for the fish.  I mention this here because it is further proof that fish have definite needs and requirements that vary from species to species, and if we want the fish in our aquarium to be healthy and "happy," then we must reasonably provide for those needs and requirements.
 
The citation from Dr. Loiselle in my signature sums it up.  And Nathan Hill's quote is apropos as well.
 
Byron.
 

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