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Please accept my apologies in advance for this being soooooo long and detailed. Note that all fish, equipment and other necessities have been purchased from a chain store.

My UNEDUCATED [please give me some slack for this] intro to freshwater tropical fish keeping started about two months ago when I purchased a Betta who was creatively named “Fishy” - my husbands contribution, and a 1/2 gallon bowl [which I soon found out was horribly torturous to Fishy]. About a month later we purchased a 5 gallon tank for Fishy and decided he needed friends [which I was told was fine as long as they were “community fish”]. Along came two guppies, and a swordtail [who tried committing suicide during the transfer from bag to tank by flopping and falling 6 feet to the wood floor – don’t be alarmed, it’s been two weeks and he seems fine – seems is the operative word here].

Fishy was a little aggressive at first but began to lose interest in the others until 4 days later when I found one of the guppies belly up at the bottom of the tank. I’ll cut this short and just say a 4 year old was very happy to find she had a new pet for her birthday.

This left me with the swordtail, and one guppy. I followed the “1 in. of fish per gallon” rule and decided to add a clown platty and a tetra [clear body and red tail fin]. Before adding the new fish I did a 10% water change, following the “rules” I found on various websites [de-chlorinate water, bring up to temperature, etc]. The platty decided he was the dominant fish and began dive bombing the guppy which led the swordtail and tetra to follow in step. So, my platty landed himself in the “time out” bowl for a day which has remedied the “kamikaze” issue. All was running smoothly……….

Just so you know; I feed morning and night alternating between freeze dried blood worms and regular tropical flakes – they seem to enjoy the worms a bit more.

There hadn’t been a heater in the tank due to the fact that the apartment had been kept quite warm and the water was constantly at 75. Since summer is approaching, my place will be air conditioned –I was afraid that this would cause the water to cool, so I decided to purchase a heater in order to sustain the temp. It had been a week since the last water change so I did another 10% using a siphon hose, and rinsed the filter with the old tank water. I then set up the tank with the heater. In the first 24 hours of introducing the heater, the temp spiked to 81; after reducing the heat it got to a low of 74. I have been successful in keeping it between 75 and 77 for the past few days.

During this time, I found that my guppy had become lethargic, floating near the top and hiding behind the filter. He was eating regularly so I wasn’t sure what was wrong. A few days later I found that his color had become quite dull, his tail fin was deteriorating and he had white spots on his body. After doing a bit of research, I came to the conclusion that he had acquired Ich. So I rushed to the chain store and purchased parasite medication, a water testing kit and water conditioner in case the toxins needed to be lowered. I had just learned the concept of cycling the tank and of the importance of water testing – neither of which was ever done.

I tested the water and found the pH was about 7.2, the ammonia was between 0 and .25, the nitrIte was about 2 and the nitrAte was about 5. I didn’t add anything to the water to lower the nitrIte level because the instructions said that it wasn’t abnormal for the level to get as high as 5 during the first 4 to 6 weeks of a new tank – it’s currently week 3.

I then removed the carbon filter and added a ½ teaspoon of the medication [per the directions on the bottle] to the tank. Before going to bed I checked the guppy and he was still hanging around the top. I was afraid he may infect the others so I filled a small bowl with tank water and removed the guppy – he became a bit more active in seclusion so I felt a better about his recovery. Unfortunately, at 7:30 this morning I was informed by my husband that Guppy had perished [one day before the expiration of the warranty – is it bad to be happy that I’ll at least get my money back?].

I’ve been reading quite a bit on a number of websites and I’m afraid that I have harmed the fish because the water hadn’t been cycled in the beginning. The gills of the platty and the tetra are red and I don’t know if the amount of redness is normal or too much. There’s an asymmetrical white patch on the sword tail starting at his chin and ending at the fins on his belly [don’t know the technical name]. The water has an odor – like a mildew smell. I don’t know if I’m feeding them too much or too little, there doesn’t appear to be much lying on the bottom of the tank. Since I bought them at a chain store have I doomed my self from the beginning? Did adding the heater kill the guppy? Am I now contributing to the suffering of these remaining fish? Is it time to purchase a good fish keeping book?

Thanks for your advice/comments.
 
Well I've seen a lot of people do much worse for starting off. :lol:

I would get a good fish keeping book and read it from cover to cover. I get more info on this forum than anywhere else though. The heater didn't kill the guppy either.

Tank water always smells a little "musky", believe me, it's never to pleasant to hang your head over the water in your tank :lol:
 
all the pi nned topics are great in the begginers section, and people are very friendly and helpful
 
Also, when you purchase a fish, see if it's a schooling fish or not because if it is you need to have like 4 -6 of them.
 
You aren't doing too bad actualy. At least you have attempted to research and when your fish died, you didn't just shrug it off - you are actualy trying to solve the problem and do what's best for your pets.

This tank is 5 gallons. The 'inch per gallon guideline' applies to ADULT sizes. Bettas get to 3", guppies to 2" if female, 1" if male, platies to 1.5" and male swordtails to 3", female swordtails to 5". However, this isn't the only thing you need to consider when purchasing fish - swordtails need a minnimum of 15 gallons (so take him back) and guppies don't work with bettas because the betta will often mistake the guppy for a rival and kill it. This doesn't always happen right away so don't think that just because it hasn't yet, it won't.

Your tank isn't cycled and is over-stocked. If you return the remaining guppy and the swordtail, leaving a platy and the betta in your tank, you'll be able to keep them alive until the cycle is complete (0 ammonia/nitrIte, keep nitrAte below 20 using weekly partial water changes with de-chlorinated water). Once the tank is stable and fully cycled, you can add one more platy of the same sex (the anal fin of male platies - and guppies and swordtails too - is modified into a tube-like 'gonopodium'. Females' anal fins look fan-shaped.). Then your tank will be at its limmit.

What killed the guppy was the cycling process. Moving him caused a temporary improvement because the water in the new bowl would have been clean and ammonia-free. That soon changed though obviously. Also, ich should be treated in the main tank because this parasite has an unusual cycle and can only be treated when the spots are not visible and the parasite is actualy in the water - oftentimes it will be in the tank and you won't see it so the other fish can catch it whether you remove the fish with the spots or not. Just keep this in mind for next time.

Do water changes every couple of days and test daily until your tank is fully cycled. Then a weekly water change should suffice. Make sure you return the guppy and swordtail. Good luck! :)

Oh and about the fins... The fin on the back is called a dorsal. The two fins on either side behind the gills are pectorals. The pair of fins under the body are called ventral (or pelvic) fins. The single fin behind the pair of ventrals, under the body and just before the tail is called the anal fin and is modified to a 'gonopodium' in male livebearers. The tail is also sometimes called the caudal fin. That's basicaly the technical names of all the fins on your current fish :p.
 
If you want something to put with your betta I would suggest a couple small Corry Cats.
 
Hi and welcome to TFF :)

Yes the tank is still cycling and is overstocked which may have contributed to some of the fish deaths; ich or also known as whitespot basically produces little white spots on the fish and is quite a nasty desease- what symtoms was the fish showing as alot of fish deseases show similar symtoms like the fish flicking and rubbing itself against objects or being lethargic but these symtoms can also just be because of water quality problems and you don't want to medicate the tank unesarsarily.
What is your tank cleaning regime like on an average basis and how much exactly are you feeding your fish? Your fish should get between 1 and 2 fish flakes each twice a day- i genurenly don't feed my fish things like freezedried bloodworms/daphina/tubifex more than once every 3 to 4days because too much of these can cause the fish constipation although there are many exceptions to this, bettas seem to enjoy alot of things like bloodworms on a regular basis.

Other than that i agree with all the other info already said and i think you should also rehome the remaining guppy and swordtail as there isn't realy enough room for them and it will make sorting out the cycling and other problems much easier :thumbs: .
 
Sylvia, if I read it correctly, she doesnt have the betta anymore. Leaving the guppies in there would be ok for that reason.
 
Erised said:
Sylvia, if I read it correctly, she doesnt have the betta anymore. Leaving the guppies in there would be ok for that reason.
Well if you read it correctly I read it wrong :lol:
 
Thanks for all your replies - it's very helpful!!.

Just to be clear; the betta is gone [re-gifted to 4 y/o] both guppies have perished [one while the betta was in the tank, and one last night - this is the one that was removed]. The ramining fish are the swordtail, platty, and tetra.

Am I still overstocked with these three?
 
Well the swordtail likes to have tank mates of the same species. Same thing with the platty. The Tetra is a schooling fish and likes to be in groups of 4 - 6
 

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