Well I'm Bad, Very Very Bad

[lljdma06]

That black and copper one is What are you going to name that stunner? Oooo, breed him (turning on subliminal messages, breed black/copper male, breed him for me, breed him for me for me , subliminal messages off).

Did anyone notice that? No? Good, my work is done.

No, this is not right, and I apologize. Someone was smart enough to point this out to me and I realized I have made an error. I hope you understand that the above was a joke. I will no longer be making these jokes, and please disregard any that you see in other spawn threads. What I have obviously intended as fun and humorous can be taken the wrong way by others and possibly encourage others into activities that they may not be ready for. I am joking, I have plenty of lovely fish, and do not desire anymore! The subliminal messages will stop now. Sorry to be off topic, but I had to clarify. You may now commence with the general ooooos and aaaaahhss regarding Jollysue's gorgeous new acquisitions, which are stunning. I still stand by my eloquent statement of regarding your new black copper male.

 

[Synirr]

A normal person can only handle so big of a load...20+ fish is too much for normal people...

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Are you calling me abnormal, SRC?!

 

[jollysue]

Iljma, please joke in my thread all you want. I like joking.

Nevertheless if I ever decide to breed, I will let you know I mean about the fish of course.

Synirr abnormal?

Excuse me I have to change 300 usg of water and then go to work

 

[splashluff]

SRC, I don't know if your post was directed towards me also, but I kind of feel like it is because I do have one of the spawn diaries up. I honestly think lldjma is just joking , ANYone with half of a brain can see that, and if some one decided to spawn based solely on her jokes, then they're pretty crazy anyway. I've been planning my spawn for over 6 months, and I have wanted to spawn years before that with the right pair. I think it's pretty cynical and trolley, personally, to say that me and people like me are just spawning with the goal to give away all of our fry on these boards ~ because its NOT true! I'm actually only planning to ship out the BARE minimum of fry that I can possibly manage, because I hate shipping. 90+% of my fry will be going to members of my Betta club, as there are over 30 people that are interested in multiple Bettas from my pair as breeders AND pets. I also have a huge extended family, and each person wants at least one of my babies, which will equate to 26 really GOOD local homes for any of the fry that I cannot place. I've really thought this out, and I know that most of the members of this board who are spawning are good people who HAVE great people lined up for their fry... seriously, who ever has the dedication to get onto Betta boards and get every bit of research and input possible is most-likely to turn out to be a wonderful breeder. And, you mentioned how many spawn diaries are up and people planning to spawn ~ well, that's also because this board has grown a LOT in the past few months. Since I joined 100's of members have joined the Betta boards, and there are bound to be more people planning on spawning and acquiring more Bettas. I see NOTHING wrong with anyone spawning, as long as they've done their research, they have a goal in mind to better the species, they have funds/supplies and plenty of people lined up for fry.

Jollysue knows tons about Bettas, I would not *encourage* her to spawn because that's a personal choice (and it's HER that will be spending $100's on spawning supplies and spending countless hours working on the spawn) but I would be interested in a black and copper baby, I just wanted to make that clear.

meh.... aanyways, nice fishies Jollysue ! I completely understand you wanting to fill the box, those will probably be very pretty Bettas ~ VT or not. VT's are gorgeous! I also noticed that he was selling the babies at 1.5 or 2 months old. Very young, if you ask me, so I do hope they make it through the stresses of shipping and adjust well

 

[DaSauce89]

I agree with SRC


I see to many people breed bettas....its like a fad......



Nonetheless this might sound hypocritcal, but I am planning on spawning during spring, not for fun ( well yea for fun ) but also because Ive been wanted to do it since I can remember, and like splashluff, I too wanted the perfect pair, and Ive found them, Poseidon and Amphy......I really want to see the outcome of the fry because they carry so many genos . I am prepared though, I want a rather small spawn 20-30 bettas due to the fact that I know its gonna be hard to care for more. I do plan on giving some fry to my friends and maybe some on the boards.......if Im allowed too.


Anyways jollysue.........I LOVE ORANGE ONE!

 

[redbetta]

Thanks for the info Jollysue. How much did you get the orange pair for if you don't mind me asking? I want some of those toooo. I wish Thailand wasn't so far or there were other places that have suuuuuuuch nice fish lol. I'll search though definetely

 

[SRC]

lol Synirr bit dog?

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Half a brain huh..so you're saying I'm stupid then? hmm (but actually..if you re-read my post...you'll see I mentioned that she might be joking, but...)

Actually..the people I posted that for should know who I posted it for. It just seems to me, that those type posts encourage people who aren't ready yet. New people joining our forum. They don't know you or know that you are joking. How could they, they are new.

From what I've seen over the last 6 months...it has. When I first joined this forum there were only 2-3 people breeding, and they were breeding show fish or to give people in that area a choice above only getting VT's, not as a "hobby". Now there have been 10-15 people breeding, just because they though their fish were pretty. I don't think lives should be a "hobby". Unless they have purpose(showing, selling, producing a particular color, bettering a certain tail type, ect) I don't think lives should be duplicated...and they should not be soley to entertain or fulful a fantasy of the breeder.

If you've done your research and prepared homes for all the fish..that's great..but the fact is a vast majority of people seem to just be plopping 2 fish together because they think they are pretty and will have pretty babies..and they haven't done that. (that reflects in their posts AFTER they've done it)

And the fact also remains that because they see people "joking" that they want this color fish and that color fish...they might not realize that you guys are joking, since they don't know you well enough to see that...then they think "well my fish are just as pretty as that fish..I KNOW they'll want some of mine too" and then 3 months later you have 15 spawns going...with no pre-lined up homes...but "inclings" that the good people here will take them in when the time comes. And after a while...where are they all going to go..everyone here is gonna have so many fish..there aren't going to be anymore "free" homes for them to go into.

I mean, there are people posting about breeding bettas that haven't even kept bettas for 2-3 months before. And I just wonder WHY they are doing it...it just seems to me it's because they think it'd be a "cool" thing to do.
Which really makes me sad.


(Sorry for hijacking your thread JS...I will quit now lol... I just felt the need to say something that I've been wanting to say for quite some time...and it just happened to come out in your thread..I wasn't really pointing the finger at one ONE person in particular..but more as a "general" feeling I wanted to put out there.....again I'm sorry )

 

[jollysue]

It's ok, SRC, I love a good discussion without animosity. Sometimes I get tempted into one in the wrong thread. I did that in MaC's thread. It was wAAAAy above the child development level and I believe distracted from accomplishig the purpose of helping to get a good tank going. That said, and more I believe should only be discussed in a PM, We have some great toe to toes that folks can learn from. We just need to pick our time and place more constructively I believe.

Now I need to say, I believe I may have stated incorrectly that my BetterBetta couples are Thai. In fact I believe they may have been bred at a farm in Florida, although I can't say for sure. The Black and the Orange are Thai.

The whole breeding debate is the same one that the animal rescue folks are having all the time. Everyone wants to let their dog or cat breed. I mean what is life without that three letter word? I think it's ego=look I did it. But maybe just as much it's the poor little pretty boy languishing in his bowl under his bubbles waiting for a lady to share it with.

I look at my very pretty Metallic Green/Red DT HM Butterfly boy propped under his bubbles looking totally dejected with five lovelies just beyond the glass, and I think poor boy, he would make beautiful babies w/ his sister or any lady I have.

I waited way long to neuter my Whiskers. He was just so vital and masculine. But finally I did. I neuter my animals now. They don't know the difference. Our bettas know something is missing. And we can see that all the satisfaction they have in their little lives is food. And so much of their lives is made up of their mating ritual.

So have a debate here in this thread. I say joke too. Take a chill pill occasionally. Just everyone make huge efforts to be gracious. After all I think people are still more valuable than fish.

 

[GSD]

wow look at those fishies


i agree about the breeding.
thats why im not breeding.theres too many already lol.

 

[Lady]

Well, after reading this thread, I almost feel like I have to give an explination for my spawns. (Miss Multiple Spawn Lady over here <--) I really actually came to this forum since I found it through my research in breeding bettas....I had been researching it for quite some time and was merely interested in it before I felt I was qualified enough (with enough information racked in my little brain) to even have a nice pair. I have definetly thought this through (with two spawn tanks going and at least 200+ babies TRUST me I thought) after visiting my LFS and now knowing my LFS owner quite well infact so well hes begging me to work there haha (thought about it but I dont think in the end it will pay the rent...maybe as a second job) We had a chat that he only bettas he ever gets in are VTs (not to down on the I have a few of my own!) And after bringing him LOADS of information and LOTS of pictures and enterting him through the new world of bettas hes asked me if he could have some of the babies I spawn....(for himself! and the store of course) So we worked it out...as well as my family (crazy nuts haha) which is huge wants one and my boyfriends mom haha (couldnt convince him yet...but his moms been begging) and so on in fact I somewhat am scared that there just might not be as many as hoped to give away on here! haha anyways to shorten it up...I would think Ive done a nice job with keeping my bettas ( whom are my life now I tell you) and their babies healthy and well taken care of. Now that that is said I must say I do agree with SRC in that we have younger viewers and that we do sometimes have to be careful on how we react and what we say (just like everyday life no difference haha) but I must say this forum is the kindest, most educated, all ages forum I've been to and I believe its because we have such a variety of people (ages too) on here who have been introduced to this hobby and feed on the excitment of this forum...(I know I do)

There my two cents! haha Have a good day everyone....

 

[splashluff]

Lady, we ALL know you are an awesome Betta mom! It is completely obvious in all of your posts. And, if any Bettas were ever suitable to be spawned, it is your Bettas that you've spawned! ( )

SRC, you definitely have a point. I agree with just about everything, except, I completely disagree that Betta spawning is a "fad". Erm, I've never ever met a Betta breeder in person (except in my Betta club of course). 99.9% of everyone I know did not even know there was anything beyond the Bettas in cups at Wal*Mart before I talked to them about Bettas! Maybe spawning seems like a "fad" on these boards... but freakin eh, its a Betta board! Of COURSE there will be quite a few people that are spawning, because people that get onto a message board to talk about their Bettas typically care a lot about them, have researched tonnes, and they generally have very high, spawning quality Bettas. It's inevitable, is all I'm saying. But, NO, I really agree that it'd be baad if a 12 year-old read this thread and thought, "hey! my Bettas from petsmart are cute, maybe I should BREED them!!!". Hopefully that same 12 year-old would also notice all of the spawn posts everywhere that display all of the work involved, as well as the sticky post which entails how hard/costly spawning is and what Bettas are suitable for it.

Jollysue, I'm sorry but I do not think spawning Bettas and breeding dogs is too relative, generally speaking. 10 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, I'm not sure if Bettas amount to that many. I do agree that they are related in the sense that some people (Backyard Breeders) do it just to do it ~ because the animal is able to, and they want to make money, or show their kids the "miracle of life", etc. It really isn't right not to think about the consquences and the animals themselves and just jump into breeding anything! After volunteering at my city's ASPCA for 2 years, I found that a LOT of people don't care about anything but what's convenient or instantly gratifying for themselves ~ "it'll be FUN to breed, and maybe I'll get rid of the puppies and make some money, oorrr if not I'll just dump them in the high-kill shelter's drop box!" BYB--ers also could NOT care less about all of the health problems that the parents have, their temperaments, their conformity to the breed standard, or anything as long as they make money. I guess there are some people like this that spawn Bettas just for money ~ but, I personally don't think those kinds of people are active members of this board. I think those kinds of people are running mass VT farms and shipping off thousands of babies to W*M

It's AWESOME that you spay/neuter (aka speuter) your pets, though!! My pup and my cat are both speutered too ! They are MUCH healthier and happier that way, and live a longer life avoiding lots of health problems including uterine/testicular cancer, etc. I think every pet should be spayed and neutered ~ there are millions of dogs waiting for homes, and each puppy anyone produces causes a puppy in a shelter in this country to be euthanized. Only extremely high quality, healthy, successful show and/or working dogs should be bred to better their breeds :nodL

 

[bettaBetta]

GOrgeous! Add another raving fan to the list for the black copper too.

 

[Andie]

jollysue, they're absolutely stunning, every one of them I don't blame you for not being able to resist!

splashluff, have you ever read any books by Susan Conant? I suspect you'd enjoy her work

 

[Ethos]

A normal person can only handle so big of a load...20+ fish is too much for normal people...

.... )

Are you calling me abnormal, SRC?!

Indeed.
That is what he's calling you, almost directly

 

[jollysue]

I'm making a list, hehe, not sure what I'll do with it. When Beau comes I'm shipping DaSauce, via Linda Olson, to do piccies.













(That's a little joke, folks; we don't actually ship teenage girls in little boxes--through trans shippers, that is)




Splashluff, I don't think the first reason that people at home (as opposed to farms) let their mutts breed or breed their VT is money. The money is a 2ndary excuse. Most don't expect to make money off their pups or fry--some not most.

I also believe from what I've read here that lots of VT go down the sink to clear stock. Probably people who breed unmarketable betta also resort to destroying the ones not rehomed. But really, are the numbers the issue here? Isn't it motivations, ethics, and the health of the breed that are the issues? Aren't those the same issues that you are addressing with the dog and cat overpopulation? And far be it from me to speak for SRC, but isn't that exactly what SRC is concerned about? Not that we would have homeless betta running around the streets, but poor quality betta, suffering betta, ignorant breeding practices.

There are many similarities with any pet being allowed to breed. Except betta can't be speutered and the breeding must usually be diliberate.