Vt Vs. Vt

[sunpirate2u]

I wasn't planing on breeding a VT male and a VT female. I just was wondering why u can't breed them when they r bloth VT? Or can u?

 

[devon_charm]

you can put a VT with VT. I wish more people would

 

[Monty2451]

I don't see why you couldn't. The only thing that might be odd is that all the offspring might not be VT due to the fact that almost all VT's are "mutts," meaning that they can have any number of tail type genes involved, but the VT trait is dominant so that the others don't show through. But if both parents have one of the same recessive tail types in them, some of the offspring are bound to have it, just out of shear percentages.

 

[nakomis90]

VTXVT is allowed, but people who show there bettas tend not too because theyre not in the IBC show thingy!
go for it!
ill be breeding VT's soon

 

[sunpirate2u]

i know a little basics on betta breeding, could i have some mor info on it?

If you put a male and female together in a ten gal, would they mate? If not what's the percent (%)? Is it possible that the male could kill the female?

I would really like mor help thanks

(I was planning on breeding guppies, but then I got in to bettas. I have never tried to breed fiah be4 (although i've done tons of reading) which sould I try first?)

 

[devon_charm]

There is alot more to it that throwing them in a tank together. You need to have her in a chimny so he cant get to her, then you can release her when she bars up. I would really do tonns of research into it if you are wanting to spawn, its they key. Yes there is always a remote possibility he will take a diss-liking to her and kill her, its why you have to watch them and know what to look out for

 

[sunpirate2u]

this is gonna be a stupid question:

what's a betta chimny?

is it like a breeding box for livebearers? Only its for bettas.

 

[devon_charm]

Aww hun its not a stupid question at all. A chimny can be any thing that acts as a see though barrier between the two fish. Some people use a 2ltr coke bottle with both ends cut off and stood in the water, others use the chimny bit of hurricane (sp)lamps. As long as it is clear, can stand upright and has a hole at both ends it works as a chimny.

 

[5teady_2012]

Read this below m8, its a quote from the breeding and rearing betta fry section in the frequently asked questions section.

Before we start let's think about a few things. Raising betta fry is very time consuming and lot's of work. You should have a plan for the fry, where will they live in a few months?



You will need
Lots of live and frozen foods
5-10 gallon breeding tank
Air Pump
plastic tubing
gang valve to control air flow
sponge/corner filter
styrofoam cup
glass chimney vase
lots of silk plants
small heater (submersible only!)
Amquel
Live food cultures (microworms,vinegar eels,baby brine shrimp)

Within 2 months you will need
at least a 40 gallon grow out tank
every jar you can get your hands on (so start saving now!)

Before breeding your bettas,you will need to condition them for at least two weeks. Condition means to keep thier water especially clean and feed them twice a day on live and frozen foods.This will prepare them for the spawning.

Tank Set-Up

Set your tank in a sturdy spot where it's easy to access but not in a high traffic area. Fill it half way with clean dechlorinated water.Add your heater, corner filter,plants etc..
Set your heater to between 80-82F, the warmer the water the faster the eggs will hatch. Which isn't exactly a good thing because that could lead to under-developed fry. 80F is perfect. Adjust your gang valve so that the sponge/corner filter let's out one bubble per second.
Bunch your plants close together in one area to provide lots of cover for the female. Cut the styrofoam cup in half longways and float it in a corner, the male will build his nest under this. Don't ask me how they know to go there, they just do.


Adding Fish
Ok, so you're ready to add your bettas. Here's the standard procedure, add your male and your female at the same time, putting your female IN the chimney vase so the male can't get to her. He will be extremely excited and she will be scared but she'll soon relax when she realizes he can't get to her. He will begin working on his nest and when you think it looks full and ready, go ahead and release her.Usually after 24 hours. You'll need to cover the tank to give them privacy but you should keep an eye on them at all times. If the female is getting beat badly or not cooperating go ahead and remove her and try procedure #2 in a couple of days.
*Procedure #2 is to add the male to the tank first, let him build his nest,then float your female in a small clear speciman cup, she'll get excited right away and he won't feel pressure to build a nest in a hurry because he already has one going. You can immediately release the female and they should begin spawning right away. Again, keep watch in case things get to rough in there.

The Spawning
The male will lead the female to the nest for her inspection, if she's not pleased she will destroy it.If she is happy with it she will swim around underneath it,head down. Don't be surprised if they get pretty brutal during the spawning, the occasional nip and rip is perfectly natural. The male will flip the female over and wrap himself around her and squeeze, eggs will fall from her and she will float in a paralized state for a few seconds. Again, don't be scared this is all normal. The male will fertilize the eggs during the wrap and as they fall he'll pick them up and place them in his nest. Then they will wrap again,more eggs,more paralysis and so on. Occasionally the female will assist the male in picking up the eggs.
You'll know when they're done because the female betta will be hiding in the plants or off on the other side of the tank. You must remove her swiftly after the spawning! The male will indeed kill her if you do not so you really have to pay close attention at this point.
Careful getting her out, don't chase her around the tank willy nilly with a net, just gently scoop her out with a cup in order to not ruin the fathers nest. Now cover the tank with a towel and leave him be.

Eggs!!
Dad will watch closely over the eggs for the next few days. Don't feed him at this time,it may trigger his appetite and right now he's not hungry anyway, he's got work to do. The male will sit diligently watching his nest. He may cruise the tank from time to time,checking for stray eggs or predators,be careful not to let him see you, he will eat the eggs if he feels threatened.

After 24 hours you will notice little baby fry falling from the nest like rain, now's Dads time to shine! For the next 48 hours he will catch the babies,day and night, and put them back in the nest. That's why it is important to leave some dim lighting for him at night. If he gives up quickly or turns on the fry and you notice him eating them, go ahead and take him out and lower your water level to about 3". The fry will feed off their egg sacks for 2-3 days,these are attached to their belly and they're rather heavy,that's what causes the fry to fall.

For 2 days he will watch over the fry, on the 2nd day they should go from this position l to this position _ and swimming on their own vertically, remove dad now because he's hungry and those fry are starting to look delicious!
You should already have his tank set up and ready for him.

First Foods

Ok, the male is gone, happily munching on some bloodworms back in his own tank, now it's time to give the babies their first meal. Give them a small portion of microworms to start with, watch them eat because there is nothing like watching them devour their first food. They should be happy with the worms for a week or so but you really need to get your brine shrimp hatchery started ASAP. They'll need a meatier food,like bbs, after the first week. Feed them at LEAST twice a day, they're the hungriest little things you'll ever meet.

Fry Tank
Now's the fun part, keeping the fry tank clean. Small,partial water changes are essential. Use a long piece of airline tubing to syphon the tank. Use a clear or white bucket so that any sucked up fry are easy to recover, just scoop them up with a cup and dump them back in the tank. You should cover the tank with saran wrap for the first 6 weeks, this keeps the surface air humid and assists the development of the labyinth organ.

At about 4 to 6 weeks they will need to move to a larger grow out tank. At about 2 to 2 1/2 months you'll be able to sex them, the males will begin bullying each other so it's time to bust out the jars.

There ya have it, it's a lot of work but nothing compares to baby bettas

*There's always new things to learn when it comes to spawning and breeding bettas and nothing is ever 'by the book'.
It's an exciting and fun hobby and I wish you the best of luck.

 

[sunpirate2u]

i think I will stick with guppies for now until I advance. Then I'll switch over.....

~thanks guys! for all the help

 

[Monty2451]

i think I will stick with guppies for now until I advance. Then I'll switch over.....

~thanks guys! for all the help

Sounds like a good idea, lol. Livebearers are muuuuuuuch easier to breed than bettas. Once you get a good nack for the guppies, then try to research up on the bettas. Best of luck.

 

[constantine03]

I would go for a glass chimney if/when you do. I tried the coke bottle method with one of my females. It just wasn't very heavy, and she wanted out SO bad, that she sliced herself moving it and sliding under it to get out.

 

[sunpirate2u]

constantine03: awww I hope shes ok

Monty2451: Yeah, I agree

 

[5teady_2012]

I would go for a glass chimney if/when you do. I tried the coke bottle method with one of my females. It just wasn't very heavy, and she wanted out SO bad, that she sliced herself moving it and sliding under it to get out.

You are officially tff most unluciest member

 

[Monty2451]

constantine03: awww I hope shes ok

Monty2451: Yeah, I agree

HUH?