twitchy & has stress lines

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ok, deuce's ick is gone. :D but now he has major stress lines and is very twitchy. by twitchy i mean that he'll dart as fast as he can across the tank, then stop suddenly as if someone has pulled his brakes. then he'll do the same thing in the other direction. it's almost as if he's flicking himself but there isn't a lot to flick on because he only has one plastic cave on bottom & a silk plant on bottom. :dunno:

he's more active than when he had ick but his stress lines are even more pronounced now and he is doing that strange flicking/twitching thing.

does anyone have any idea what might be going on? perhaps internal parasites? perhaps a reaction to the ick meds?

thanks in advance!
 
It may be a parasite that's irritating him. That's what my Zazoo had and I got him some parasite meds and it cured it.
 
BettaMomma said:
How long has he had the lines?
well, he's had them for a couple days. i think (but can't remember for sure) he had them a little when he had ick, but today now that the ick is gone the lines are much more noticeable.

i was thinking parasites, too, but don't want to dose him for internal parasites if he doesn't need it.
 
Is it possible that something else is bothering him?
Just stressing him out?
Maybe something sitting by the tank that you'd never think would bother him, but is driving him insane???
 
BettaMomma said:
Is it possible that something else is bothering him?
Just stressing him out?
Maybe something sitting by the tank that you'd never think would bother him, but is driving him insane???
his tank is next to our community tank but there's a box between the two so he can't see the other tank. he's in our bedroom but we're not there very often except at night when we go to sleep.

i haven't changed anything in the last day except a water change -- which was necessary because his tank is so small, a 2 gal.

i'm worried that i'll lose him cuz his stress lines are worse then when we first put him into his tank!
 
yep, i'm 100% sure. the way i do my water changes is siphon the water out of the tank, suck out waste on the bottom. then i mix the new water in a 1 gallon container specifically for my fish usage. i add prime & novaqua+ to all new water in the 1-gall container before i add it to the tank. i also add stess zyme and/or something for organic waste control, if it's time. the maintenance on the last 2 i think is every 7 days.
 
Ich; White Spot
Ichthyophthirius multifiliis

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Description:
Ich is a parasite that burrows underneath a fish's skin. They cause the fish to be dusted in white specks, sometimes compared in appearance to salt or sand grains. The fish may dart around and try to rub against objects in its tank. This disease can actually be quite lethal, but fortunately is very easy to diagnose and treat. The parasites will multiply in greater and greater numbers so it is important to start treating right away when detected. It is very important to note that just because the fish no longer have white spots that you may assume they are all dead. They will continue to live and reproduce in the water and surrounding tank after they have fallen off the fish. This is why the appropriate amount of heat is important. It would take weeks for the life cycle to complete at low temperatures! You must continue treating the tank for at least one full week in order to kill ALL the parasites (if tank kept warm; longer if not; see treatment below). The parasites on the fish cannot be treated; they are only susceptible to medication in a pre-adult phase of their life cycle, right before they become adults and attach to the fish.

Treatment:
Raising the water temperature will help to speed up the life cycle of the parasites (upper 70's to 80 if your fish can handle this; temp of 90 can sterilize some fish. Try for 84, while gradually reducing temp as problem is cured). Salt baths are effective in getting the parasites off the fish. Salt baths are also beneficial in that you cause the parasites to fall off while the fish is in its bath water, then you return the fish to the tank without the parasites, so they won't be present to reproduce in the tank! Products containing copper salt are very effective (note that this will kill snails) such as Coppersafe or Aquarisol. A number of other products can be found in stores specifically designed for Ich, but remember that the harsher the chemical is, the more stress it will cause to the fish too, not just the parasite. Malachite green is not suggested for scaleless fish like catfish or loaches, or some other fish such as tetras. Treat once every 3-4 days for 4 treatments, changing 50% of the water before every treatment. Continue this treatment for about 2 weeks to ensure death of all the parasites. Remember, they're only susceptible to the medication during one phase of their life cycle which is a 3-day period.

Prevention:
A stressed and weakened fish for whatever reason will allow a dormant parasite to invade the fish and start multiplying. Eliminate stress due to poor water conditions, changes in temperature, bullying fish, etc. Quarantine new fish and plants to ensure you don't bring parasites in from outside sources. Do not cause any drastic changes in temperature in your tank. Always float new fish in their new tank for at least 15 minutes to allow the temperature to stabilize and match before releasing them in a new tank (remember if you float in a bag to open it, as the fish need air to breathe). This is a very common problem in new tanks that causes new fish to contract the parasites, alongside poor water conditions in established or establishing tanks.
 
bettamomma -- no, i don't think i've ever seen deuce do that. he seemed a little more active this morning but his stress lines are still pronounced. the twitchy thing he does is more like in a straight line, then a dead stop while sort of wiggling, then a straight line in the opposite direction. sometimes he'll do it from the bottom of the tank to the top, but it's usually from 1 side of the tank to the other. occassionally i'll see him do the betta s dance where he looks like he's belly dancing, but all my bettas do that so i know it's not abnormal & deuce was doing that even before this latest thing started happening.

and jennie thanks for the ick info but i already know all that and to continue to treat him after the white spots have disappeared. he's still getting medicated for ick because his spots only disappeared yesterday morning. he's getting malachite green and it's obviously working, i'm just curious to know if it is what's stressing him or if it's the ick parasites themselves.

also, i do water changes every couple days because his tank is so small -- an eclipse 2. i do them religiously because small tanks are much more susceptible to poor water quality if let go too long between water changes.
 
Hmm...
I was asking about the swimming in circles because Jasper was doing that when he had hemmoraghic septicemia. He was also doing the whole swimming and darting crazily after I had him on meds for a while.

The thing is that when he was doing that, it was between the time when he was really really sick with septicemia and when he got better. He started darting around like a maniac while he was healing. I can't explain why he did it, but it while he was being medicated and on the mend.

If it continues on for any length of time, or if he's getting to the point where he's hurting himself by crashing into things, I would bring on the big guns - Tetracycline tabs. But that's just me. That way whatever is ailing him will be caught by the tetra.

But as I said, it's up to you.
 

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