Trouble Feeding Marble Birchir

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Got a new marble birchir around a week and a half ago, having trouble getting him to eat. He just isnt interested. The LFS we got him from had a gold fish in with him and some kind of floating pellet. So far iv tried Lance fish, prawn, mussel, dried bloodworm, trout pellet, the floating funky stuff and even chicken (yeah i know its too high in protein)

Tried lights on, lights out, early evening, night time, morning. Its not even interested. Otherwise he seems fine.

Any ideas?

Hes in with a sengal and a small RTC.

Also how do i sex both of them? I know its the anal fins but is there a big difference between male and female?

Thanks
Kirsty

Also hes around 7-8" and quite chunky so its not like he wasnt eating before i got him.
 
hmm, very picky fish.
try feeding him live river shrimp. (most lfs around £1 for 20)
my bichars and reedfish love them
 
Will try see if i can source them never seen any around here. I was thinking about brine shrimp or live blood worm but the sengal and RT dont seem interested think its too small.

I dont want to have to resort to putting something live in, plus the id never know if he got it or not.
 
The males anal fin is approx twice as wide as the females.None of mine will ouch freeze dried anything try frozen bloodworms just deforst in a small cup of tank water.-Anne
 
How wide is the female's? both of mine have pretty wide ones but i have nothing to compare them too
 
My experience, too. Never had anything that ate freeze dried food. Always go for the frozen, and frozen bloodworms seem to be taken by everything. Some brands less willingly than others, so shop around before buying in bulk.

When I kept P. palmas, frozen bloodworms were its staple diet. Had the odd frozen prawn, too.

Cheers,

Neale

None of mine will ouch freeze dried anything try frozen bloodworms just deforst in a small cup of tank water.-Anne
 
The others love the prawn, in fact they will eat anything. The new one is just a fussy bugger. Not even showing an interest at all
 
try hand fiding it! my ornate bichir hav a prob in eating 2! but when i try hand fiding it! it eats! try 2 bug him w/ the food! wen he getz mad may be it will byt the fud! its not bad 2 try isnt it??? :D
 
I got a new ornate birchir it is only about 4 cm. I first tried it on hikari carnivore pellets and frozen bloodworms. He snapped it up greedily but I do understand that they can be quite different. So maybe try frozen worms.
 
It could be a matter of settling in.Is it out swimming or hiding?Is it being bullied or harassed by tankmates?


FEEDING THE BEAST & NUTRITION
Now that you have a bichir what does it eat? In their natural habitat bichirs normally at small fish,various
insect larvae and invertabrates.Bichirs are generaly non agressive ambush predators but also
oppurtunistic scavengers.Objects to big to be consumed whole are often "deathrolled" till
small parts are twisted and ripped off the carcass.
Now then what can we feed them? You actually have several options and They will be listed below.
The idea is to vary the diet and try to keep it balanced with an attempt at total nutrition.
The freezer at your local fish store is a smorgasboard of foods which should include
silversides or lancefish
mysis shrimp
brine shrimp
krill
bloodworms
tubifex worms
squid
beefheart
Simply thaw and feed

Your local market can be a great source of foodscheck the seafood section of the freezer
You can use just about any foods you find there including
mussels
shrimp
most fish filets (avoid salmon i think its to oily)
Available at the butcher counter or they should be able to order it for you
beefheart
and yes chicken gizzards
to prepare the above cut it into strips and remove any fat you can find
fish do not digest mammialian fat well

Live foods include
ghost shrimp
earthworms
tadpoles(see next line)
some species of frogs(some frogs relaese toxin when attacked)
African dwarf frogs are a natural part of the diet in the wild
mealworms feed only the recently shed ones the chiton in the exoskeleton
can be hard to digest and in some can result in intestinal blockages.
There is really no reason to feeders except as the ocassional treat.
Various live fish and fry can be used for foods.Caution here unless you raise them
any commercialy bought feeders usually rosie reds/tuffies (the albino form of fat head minnows),
guppies,bait minnows etc.need to be quarantined before feeding them to your fish for several reasons.
reason 1 They are kept in horrible conditions
reason 2 They are often diseased
reason 3 They often are carriers of parasites
During quarantine dispose of the obviously sick or diseased.The remaining ones feed quality
foods a healthy feeder is of course better for your fish.
Goldfish just generaly are poor feeders and should be avoided. they are oily not very nutritious and
constant feed of them causes faty deposits on the liver leading to premature deaths.They also contain
very high levels of Thiaminase a destroying hormone.While many fish used as feeders contain this
goldfish seem to have an abundance of it.Another issue is a spine at the front of the dorsal fin which can
lead to problems if the goldfish is swollowed the wrong way (tailfirst).Yet another reason not to use
goldfish,goldfish farms utilize copper meds in suspension form to combat diseases in the feeders
associated with overcrowding. These copper meds are retained by the feeders for long periods after they
leave the farms. Most lfs invariably retain all or part of the feeders shipping water when the feeders are
loaded into their bins/tanks. And copper does not dissapate from a closed system.
The key is to balance the diet with a variety of foods listed above not just 1 or 2 items and skipping a meal
once you notice a decline in growth rate is good for fish.The sad truth is we as hobbyists tend to overfeed
our charges

Pellitized foods
Can be found in various diameters and include sinking and floating pellets
shrimp pellets
worm pellets
even pellets for cichlids will work
spirulina sticks
brine shrimp sticks
Algae wafers

Read the labels and look for this information
NUTRITION FOR CARNIVORES
Below are the agreed upon nutritional requirements for predatory fish
below that is a list of necessary vitamins usually supplied and just for informational
purposes.
PROTEIN:: 45% or more (this would be the ideal)
FAT:: 3% Min. to 6% Max.
FIBER 2% Min. to 4% Max

VITAMINS and what they do
-------------------------------------------------------------
Fat Soluble Vitamins
VITAMIN A promotes cellular growth
Functions: - normal vision, cell growth and resistance to infection
Deficiencies: - poor growth, poor vision, abnormal bone formation and
hemorrhaging at the base of the fins
VITAMIN D3 important for developing bone
Functions: - calcium blood levels (?)
Deficiencies: - unknown
VITAMIN E important for the development of the sex organs in breeding fish
Functions: - antioxidant, may paly a role in muscle cell respiration
Deficiencies: - anemia and poor growth
-------------------------------------------------------------
Water Soluble Vitamins
VITAMIN (B1)
Functions: - Thiamine-aids growth, digestion and fertility, nervous system
Deficiencies: - poor appetite, muscle atrophy, convulsions, loss of
equilibrium and poor growth
VITAMIN B2 Riboflavin- regulates enzymes
Functions: - vision, protein metabolism and enzyme functioning
Deficiencies: - photophobia, cloudy lens, dim vision, abnormal
colouration of the iris, striated constrictions on the
abdominal wall, dark pigmentation, poor appetite,
anemia and poor growth
VITAMIN B3 Nicotinic Acid-needed for proper digestion
Functions: - plays an important role in lipid, protein and amino
acid metabolism
Deficiencies: - loss of appetite, poor growth, lesions in colon,
erratic motion and weakness, edema of stomach and
colon
VITAMIN B5 Pantothenic Acid-controls metbolism and hormones
Functions: - adrenal functioning, cholersterol production, normal
physiology and metabolism
Deficiencies: - poor growth, sluggishness, clubbed gills, loss of
appetite, hemmorhagic skin and cellular atrophy
VITAMIN B6 Pyroxidine-enzymes and metabolism of protein
Functions: - plays a vital role in enzyme systems and protein
metabolism
Deficiencies: - nervous dissorders, fits, loss of appetite, poor
growth, rapid and gasping breathing, flexing of
opercles and hyperirritability
VITAMIN B12 Cyanocobalamin- metabolism
Functions: - enzyme systems, cholesterol metabolism
Deficiencies: - poor appetite, poor growth, anemia and dark
pigmentation
VITAMIN C Ascorbic Acid- formation fo teeth and bones , healing wounds and formation of
cartillage
Functions: - enzyme systems, bone, tooth and cartilage formation
and healing
Deficiencies: - hemorrhagic shin, kidneys, liver, intestine and muscle
tissue, eye lesions and scoliosis of the spine
VITAMIN H Biotin- promotes cell growth
Functions: - enzyme systems, purine and lipid synthesis, oxidation
of lipids and carbohydrates
Deficiencies: - loss of appetite, poor growth, anemia, skin lesions
and muscle atrophy
VITAMIN M Folic Acid- formation of blood and metabolism
Functions: - blood cell formation, blood glucose regulation and
fish metabolism
Deficiencies: - poor growth, lethargy, dark skin, anemia and fragility
of the caudal fin
CHOLIN growth and breakdown nutrients (fat) regulating glucose
Functions: - good growth and food conversion
Deficiencies: - poor growth, poor food conversion, hemorrhagic kidney
and intestine
INOSITOL permeability of cell membrane
Deficiencies: - poor growth, distended stomach, skin lesions and
increased gastric emptying time
p-AMINOBENZOID ACID- stimulates growth (not proven essential)
Deficiencies: - no abnormal indication in growth, appetite and
mortality

How much to feed?
Under 7''I let them eat as much as they want several small feedings when young are better then 1 or 2

large feedings.I let juvies eat till theres a slight bulge to there bellies
This really applies to bichirs 7''+ I feed mine twice a day skipping at least one day a week
Approx. 80% of their diet is a quality pellet food the rest frozen with the ocassional live feeders after
quarantine of course.Pellets total 2 pellets per inch of fish eg. a 7'' fish gets 7 pellets in the A.M. and 7 in the
evening feeding is then adjusted up or down so all pellets are consumed.Remember a nice round bichir
is a happy bichir-Anne
 
my birchir took almost a month to eat anything!! god knows how he servived! got him started on ham in the end and than after about two weeks on to lance fish!
 
Well after two weeks of not eating anything i resorted to putting some live fish in with some blood worm. I know some people wont agree but i felt i had to try something as he had become very unactive. 2 hours later, 8 neons gone but he did have a pick at blood worm while eating them so im going to keep trying with them.
 
My bichirs eat anything, tabimin, shrimp pellets, bloodworms, a small cory, they even bite on stones trying to get their food but their favourite is cooked fish, plain old hake fillet. My 13cm senegal tackled a nearly full grown plec to steal some :blink: . My one is huge now but the other is still pretty small.
 

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