Tropical...Goldfish? o_O;

[Genki]

Um, has anyone heard of a type of goldfish that lives in a tropical tank temp? My friend (who has a 40gal with just a common pleco in it) told me today about how she got 'tropical goldfish' that can live in the 75-80 degrees that she keeps her tank at. I personally think the pet store is lying to her, but I wanted to ask. Has anyone heard of a tropical goldfish? And if they are indeed normal goldfish (I had her describe them, one sounds like a bubble eye, and another a fancy tale one), can they survive in a tank meant for a pleco?

 

[Tempestuousfury]

I'm not sure about the existence of one, but there might be.

Anyways, goldfish can be kept at high temperatures for very long periods of time. It is not comfortable for them, but they don't perish because of the heat, provided there is adequate O2 circulation, aeration, and water changes are carried out on time.

 

[Genki]

Does it shorten their lifespan or something though? I'd have to image it has some kind of bad effect on the fish, otherwise a lot of people would be keeping them their tropical community tanks I think...

 

[Fish Buddy]

No, the petstore is not lying to your friend. Fancy goldfiish, as in bubble eyes, celestialls, fantails, rudakin (sp?), orandas and others need to be kept- or require- warmer waters. Gold fish in general are 'mutans' from the native karp in China. They have been bread for, I think it was, 1000 years. Since that time they have adapted to warmer -house-teperatures. (between 65-80 *F)
Goldfish that do not require these 'high' tepteratures are commets and scebinkins (sp?) (can survive below zero for a few months!) and are more common to ponds.

 

[sylvia]

It speeds up their metabolism and stresses them out. That makes them more susceptible to disease while the sped up metabolism means more waste and, already being messy, that means dirty water. There is no such thing as a tropical goldfish but plecos can survive lower temps and goldfish can survive higher temps so the two are often kept together though it's not good for either and makes both more likely to become sick and, yes, it shortens the goldfish' lifespan.

 

[fufanu360]

what sylvia said

 

[sylvia]

The fancy varieties do need warmer water but they are NOT tropical.

 

[Fish Buddy]

Goldfish already live 20 years (usually more) so I really don't know how goldfish's life spans can be measured to derermin that they are living shorter lifespans at a higher temp. I am looking after 2 goldfish that are over 20 years old, in a 35.5 gallon tank, with a pleco at a temp of 75*F. They are not dead or showing any signs of illness.

 

[SirMinion]

Barbs are the nearest thing to truly tropical goldfish, they are very closely related.

 

[Opcn]

Goldfish are carp, other carp would be closer relatives and there must be a carp from warmer waters, the domestic carp (farmed carp, mirror carp and Koi) Comes from Iraq and its hot there.

There is a recent topic in coldwater about goldfish temps; You should go there to read it. No freshwater fish can survive below 0C the lowest they can handle is 40F 40F water is the densest water at higher and lower temps the density lowers and it rises so theres always 40 degree water at the bottom of a pond in winter.

 

[Nuttygal! :0)]

Fish Buddy - scebinkins (sp?) - do you mean 'shubunkins'? I think it's how they're spelt!

 

[black angel]

fancy gf are kept at a higher temperature to aid digestion and the immunity levels are raised too, so being less susceptible to certain diseases. my oranda is kept at 28c and hes doing well at that temp. gf shouldnt be mixed with tropicals though as they can give and get diseases from each other.

 

[Fish Buddy]

Fish Buddy - scebinkins (sp?) - do you mean 'shubunkins'? I think it's how they're spelt! laugh.gif

YES! that's how you spell it. Thanks, that was bothering me

 

[Gill]

The Only Tropical Goldfish I have Ever Heard Of and Seen are

Black Moors.

A Very Large Aquarium in Bulkington That Closed Down Years Ago- Had tanks in the Trop Room with Black Moors and Other Orandas.

 

[Opcn]

black moors are the same goldfish as all other goldfish cassius auratus auratus, not even from a different populationinbred descendents of the same fish from the same wild body of water as all of the other fancy tailed goldfish.