swim bladder disease

[fish_keeper2]

this is kinda a stupid question for ME to ask, but i was wondering, what exactly causes swim bladder disease? and is it currable?

 

[tttnjfttt]

Swim bladder problems can be either bacterial OR be caused because a fish is constipated. http/www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html#Swimbladder

Are you asking this out of curiousity or because you have a fish with swim bladder problems?

 

[xander_chookeypud]

I have recently had a couple of fish die, and they both behaved as if their swim bladder failed. I'm not sure why it is as I have just tested the water and everything seems fine, the PH is maybe slightly too high but everything else is ok so I'm just hoping this is the last of death in my tank for a while! I'm just about to change around 25% of the water but I'm not sure what else I can do really, just hope it doesn't persist!

 

[Blade118]

i had a goldfish with had the same problem

You probly dont wana no but it died

 

[blitztidus]

try your best to get the ph down. i have dealt with the same thing before. i thought my water was fine but then i ended up with a couple dead fish.

i checked the params and the ph was to high.

 

[tttnjfttt]

i checked the params and the ph was to high.

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EXACTLY what are you considering a "high" pH? The majority of fish will adapt to a wide range of water conditions (talking about GH, KH, and pH). More often than not, swim bladder problems can be from a bad diet with too little fiber. I have never heard of a high pH causing swim bladder problms.

 

[fish_keeper2]

Swim bladder problems can be either bacterial OR be caused because a fish is constipated.  http/www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html#Swimbladder

Are you asking this out of curiousity or because you have a fish with swim bladder problems?

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im asking out of curioisity.....plus when i started this hobby i ended up haveing around 6 dif betas who died from swim bladder problems. i havent see it in any of my fish for a while luckily but i just want to know what could possibly have caused it incase it happens again.

thanks for helping.....if you have/ find any more info could you please share it.

 

[tttnjfttt]

im asking out of curioisity.....plus when i started this hobby i ended up haveing around 6 dif betas who died from swim bladder problems. i havent see it in any of my fish for a while luckily but i just want to know what could possibly have caused it incase it happens again.

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Ok, bettas often become constipated, which ends up affecting their swim bladder. This happens for two different reasons, over feeding them or feeding them too many rich, fatty foods like blood worms. feeding bettas less and also adding peas to their diet can help prevent this.

 

[fish_keeper2]

oh ok....would that also work for most other fish?

 

[WILDER]

Not the writer of this information below.


Swim Bladder Disorder



The Swim bladder is a gas-filled sac located inside the fish’s body cavity just above most of the other internal organs. This sac is what gives the fish buoyancy and controls equilibrium. The amount of gas in this sac changes as the fish rises and sinks in the water, enabling it to swim, hover and move in the water. Without the use of the Swim-bladder organ a fish is unable to control it's own movements.



Symptoms:

Fish with a swim bladder disorder appear to have an abnormal swimming pattern, usually with their tail end up. They also appear to have difficulty maintaining equilibrium. They may even float upside down or appear to be stuck at the surface of the water, being unable to swim down, or they may lie on the bottom, unable to rise. Fish with a swim bladder disorder will continue to try and feed, showing a normal appetite.



Cause:

The most common cause of swim bladder disorders is improper diet. An improper diet can lead to intestinal gas or intestinal blockages. Intestinal blockages can irritate the bowel, giving bacteria or other parasites an entry point where they can then cause damage to the swim bladder. Swim bladder disorders are most common in the larger, deep-bodied varieties of Goldfish. Fish also fed a lot of dried foods, especially pellets, are most susceptible. This condition is frequently observed in the later stages of Malawi Bloat, which is primarily due to an improper diet as well and intestinal irritation.



Treatment:

Because this disorder is due principally to an improper diet, a change in their feeding needs to be made. Dried foods with lots of protein should be kept to a minimum. Pellets and other dense foods should be soaked prior to feeding or completely eliminated from their diet. Foods with lots of fiber should be introduced, such as zucchini, squash, spinach, romaine lettuce, peas, and grated carrots. If you suspect that the fish is victim to a bacterial infection, treat the fish with a medicated food.

 

[fish_keeper2]

thanks for the info Wilder

 

[playfulalliecat]

Not sure what types of fish you have together but have you considered there may be some bullying going on? Some fish hit other fish hard enough to damage their swim bladder. I have had this happen, sometimes the damaged fish recovers but more often they don't make it.

If you aren't feeding a varied diet already it is a good idea. We feed a diet of both pellets and tropical flake (both Wardley brand). Occasionally, we throw in a nightcrawler for the jack dempsey. Fish have problems like constipation, bloat, and some diseases that arecan be caused by improper diet.

 

[xander_chookeypud]

When I said slightly too high a PH i was talking about 7.6. But this shouldn't be too much of a problem should it? my booklet with the water testing kit said mollies thrive at a PH between 7.2 and 7.5 or something like that...

That info is very helpful thanks Wilder!

 

[tttnjfttt]

The ph of 7.6 is fine for mollies. They will have no problem adapting to your water.

 

[fish_keeper2]

thanks for the info guys............i guess my coriousity led to the others geting help too