Swapping tanks.

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I have a 3 ft tank, which i would like to swap for a lovely 5 ft tank I saw in shop.
How can I safely do this, obviously I will need a lot more water.
I will also need a bigger pump. at the moment I have an internal box filter, The new set up will also have an internal box filter.
I have about twenty fish at the moment. which will have to be moved with out causing stress or chemical shock. I dont know where to start. another concern is water changes, Im guessing there will be a lot of buckets of water to carry. is there an easier way?
 
Use as much of the original tank stuff as possible, like the filter media, substrate and water. I did something similar recently with a 35/41 gallon to a 71/84gallon although the bigger tank was second hand and came with filter etc.

If you use the stuff from your smaller tank, including as much water as possible then you should be grand. Don't think it's too much different from what I did in my opinion.

Good Luck.
 
For the fish themselves this is a piece of cake.

This is how I would do it:

The new tank is much smaller so the extra water volume makes this a super easy switch. Set up the new tank and get all the equipment running. Heat the tank to the exact temperature of the old tank. Now transfer the fish, filter , and gravel in that order into the new tank. Done. You have at least double the amount of water now too, which leaves more room for error anyway, but you're bio load and bio-filter are both exactly what it was, so nothing should change.

You don't need any of the old water. The bacteria that you want to preserve is on surfaces in the tank, not free swimming. I always discard old water and start fresh, and it's never given me a problem - as long as I still have the filter. If you still want to keep the old water then it's no harm either except the effort.

As far as water change is concerned, you need to go get yourself a device called a Python. It's a tank maintenance hose that goes on your tap, letting you fill from the sink and drain into it. I can change 100 gallons of water with it in 20 minutes, and there's no work except turning the tap on and off. ;)
 
But I think his new tank is the larger one. :)

What I would do depends on a couple of things, such as ...

Do you want to put the new tank in the same spot as the current tank?
Do you want to use the gravel/plants/ornaments from the old tank in the new tank?
 
the new tank will replace the old one so I need to move one before placing other.
 
In that case, sounds like you're going to need a holding area. I've heard many people say they have good luck with just Rubbermaid totes (i.e. plastic bins) with air stones running in them. You might be able to rig up your current filter on one, too, instead of a stone.

Taking a lot of guesses, I'd probably suggest something like this:

A 3' tank is probably 40-50 gallons, I'm guessing (depending on the shape). Rubbermaid bins are widely available in, I think, 16 and 20 gallon sizes. So, you'll probably need three, just to be sure. Two for the fish, and one for the gravel/ornaments. If you happen to get a larger bin, it would probably be ok to put all the fish in one bin, if it's only for an hour or three. Others may disagree.

1) Get some plastic bins, and rinse/wash them thoroughly. Make sure there's no soap or detergent left in them.

2) Siphon about half your water into the bins that you're going to store the fish in. Keep in mind that 10 gallons of water will weigh 84 pounds, so the bins might not be easy to move.

2a) If you have live plants, remove them, and put them somewhere where they'll stay wet (in old tank water).

3) Set up an air stone, and/or rig your old (and new!) filter in each of the bins that you're going to keep fish in.

4) Net your fish, and place them in the bins.

5) Siphon out the rest of the water, and put it in the fish bins (except for a little bit).

6) Put your gravel/substrate and decorations in another bin. Probably wouldn't hurt to have enough water left over to keep these covered while you move.

7) Dismantle old tank.

8 ) Place new tank.

9) Add some new substrate (you're probably going to want more, if the tank is that much bigger).

10) Add your old substrate on top of that. Or, just mix the old and new substrate together, and spread it out, if you have different colors, or just feel like it.

11) Hook up new filter.

12) Put in decorations.

13) Fill to about 1/3 to 1/2 full of new, dechlorinated water.
13a) Put your plants back in, if you have live plants.

14) Add some more water, to about 3/4 full. Use either some of the old water from the bins, or fresh, dechlorinated water, or both.

15) Transfer your fish into the new tank.

16) Top off the tank.

1&) Go dry yourself off. :p

If you're lucky, and have everything laid out, you could be done in two hours or so. I'd probably count on four, though, especially if you have live plants.

Keeping a steady temperature may be the hardest part, depending on your home. Make sure the fresh water you add is at the right temperature, and if possible, you may want to put your heater(s?) in the bins while you make the switch. Covering the bins as much as possible while doing other stuff will help, too.

If possible, you might want to have both your old and your new filter running simultaneously for a few days, up to a week, just to make sure that you get a good bacteria colony firmly embedded in the new filter. If you can add your new filter into your old tank, and let it run for a few days (with the old filter, too), that would be an extra bonus, I'd think.

About water changes, I would also recommend a Python No-Spill. I love mine.
 
In that case I would use just one very large bin myself (you can get a 40 gallon plastic bin like bol is describing for very cheap. Then I'd basically set up the bin as if it were a new tank, transferring the filter, fish, water, plants, rocks etc. The only thing that will change for the fish is the environment, everything else will be the same as it was before they were moved. Then I'd set up the new tank and do what I described in my first post to get the fish over once again.
 
Thanks you have all been helpful,

I take it this means there is no problem with adding a lot of fresh water to the tank in one go.
secondly is there any way of knowing if the new filter is ready to do the work without the old pump being in.
is there a rish of new tank syndrome all over again?
 
The old filter media must be placed in the new Tank if you want to avod new Tank syndrome. The only problem being if you are getting a larger Filter (Will you use the same one from the old tank?) A larger filter will require a different (larger) filter media size so therefore if you are using a larger filter attempt to squeeze out alot of the bacteria onto the new filter media and transfer the old gravel from the old tank to the new. If for some reason you are using the old filter in the new tank it will take time for more bacteria to grow to compensate for the larger body of water so a nitrite/ ammomia spike might occur again :( hope this makes sense :look: :fun:
 
I take it this means there is no problem with adding a lot of fresh water to the tank in one go.

The general consensus seems to be, there should be no problem IF you bring an extablished bacteria bed with it. i.e. the old filter media and/or gravel (and, of course, the new water is dechlorinated).

secondly is there any way of knowing if the new filter is ready to do the work without the old pump being in.

Not that I know of, that wouldn't possibly hurt the fish. Visual inspection of the new filter media and a guess, is the best I can think of. You're probably looking at at least three days, maybe up to a week to be safe. But that's just a guess.

is there a risk of new tank syndrome all over again?

Yes, there is, but that risk is minimized by bringing over the old bacteria beds.
 
Run the old filter on the new tank for at least a week to be certain. I'd even leave it in for two. After removing it keep an eye on the water for the following week, watching for any signs of ammonia or nitrites. If everything is stable at this point then you'll be ready to start stocking it up ;)
 

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