Substrate for planted tank

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Hi all I’ve a 120l tank external filter tropical aquarium with a lovely community of fish.

However my plants never grow look rubbish. I’ve tested my parameters all ok. I’ve tried root tabs and adding fluval plant food this seems to have some benefit. However I’m wanting to add some substrate for my plants below my gravel.

I have another tank which I plant on transferring my fish to temporarily why I do this. My question is which substrate would be best to go under my existing g gravel. Any advice please.
 
What plants do you have growing? I changed my liquid fertilizer brand a few times over the last couple years and saw improvements after changing.

If you do plan on adding a plant substrate, just be wary of some brands. Some aqua soils release ammonia when new and could potentially take a hit on your BB.

As for recommendations, I had some success using a thin layer of JBL Aquabasis plus with a gravel cap above. Another one that seems to be very popular at the moment is Nutri Base by Colombo
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Thank you for your reply.

ATM I have elodea densa and some moss not sure the variety on my lava rock.

I was looking at this mainly because I like the brand and used a few things from them with great success Ideally I’d like to put it in without having to remove the fish do you think this would be possible?
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This could work for you

I used Eco-complete in my planted aquariums

I like to use all plant based substrate for my aquariums

I also went to dry fertilizer as I got more invested in planted
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I don't think it's possible to replace the substrate with the fishes in the tank without stressing them.

It's quite disturbing and depending on the age of the tank, can release toxins trapped in the current substrate.

Move the fish to a temporary tank, remove all the plants and decor, lower the water level to less than half, while vacuuming the gravel. then I use a dust holder to remove the old gravel trying to scratch as less as possible.

After that completely drain the water left in the tank... It's not good anymore.

Disperse your rinsed Flourite on the bottom and cap it with your old gravel. Then fill back the tank with fresh tempered and dechlorinated water, up to half, while trying to disturb the bottom as less as possible.

Reinstall your decor and plants etc... It's always easier to do with lower water level... Fill up to the top and restart filtration.

If you're careful, the water shouldn't become too cloudy and clear up in a couple days.
 
I don't think it's possible to replace the substrate with the fishes in the tank without stressing them.

It's quite disturbing and depending on the age of the tank, can release toxins trapped in the current substrate.
I have done the process you mentioned exactly once. I removed the original substrate over a couple of weeks removing strips of the original substrate, about 1/10 the bottom area per day or two. Plants in the gravel removed area were repotted and place back into the tank along with hardscape that was affected by the process. Once this process was complete, I kept the tank bare bottomed for a couple of weeks. I then rinsed the Black Florite and put it in a bit at a time, over a week. The work was broken up based on how cloudy the water would get each time. I will say it was very difficult to work around the fish, and working around the fish lengthened the process of change over by quite a length. I did not end up with any of my fish dying but I believe they were not happy and I would not do it again. My original substrate was not too deep but if it was the process would have been more difficult, and I would have more risk of releasing hydrogen sulfide. Speaking from experience I would agree with @MaloK statements.

On the Black Flourite substrate. I spent a few hundreds putting black flourite (sand in my case but I don't think it matters) in a couple of my tanks based information from the internet and other sources. Now, all of that substrate is in my gardens. I found that it is not black like Black Diamond coal slag but more of a dark grey, not that big of a deal. But, I also found it to be very abrasive, not so good for bottom dwellers but also not so good for the fish that sometimes sort through the substrate to find food. It also tended to compact, and I had some plants that did not seem to do as well (mostly the jungle vals), but others seem to do better, for example I had a nice amazon sword (don't remember the species) but it did quite well in Flourite. Finally, the one issue I had with it is that it is partially magnetic, this is an issue because any of the silt, or larger particles stirred up and pulled into the could end up in the impeller assembly. I was using Aquaclear filters at the time and they started getting noisier, sometimes binding. When I pulled them apart I found flourite attached to the impeller. The only way to avoid flourite dust going into your filters is to ensure that the substrate has settled before starting up the filters, ie substrate change without the fish in the tank.

In my opinion the Flourite substrates are good for tanks that are mostly plant oriented, without bottom dwellers, but if fish are your main interest I would be looking at some other substrate. Others might disagree. I did a post about some alternate substrates but not plant specific, https://www.fishforums.net/threads/various-sands-and-mineral-substrates-compared.479080/. Would be interested in your observations on whatever substrate or combination of substates you might use.
 
ATM I have elodea densa and some moss not sure the variety on my lava rock.

I was looking at this mainly because I like the brand and used a few things from them with great success Ideally I’d like to put it in without having to remove the fish do you think this would be possible?
Ok, I have both those types of plants. I found Elodea didn't cope too well being planted, it did prefer to be a floating plant, along with the moss somewhat. If you want to try some other stems that are easy growers IME, I'd recommend Pogostemon octopus, Limnophila sessiliflora, and Hygrophila polysperma. Most stores that sell plants will stock these. I haven't been to many stores in Merseyside, but there are a few gems in the Wigan / Chorley area. If stores are an issue, many eBay/Etsy sellers stock them too.

Other replies above answer that question :)
 
I have used the same liquid ferts and the same ferts for my substrate now for 23 years, I started by using Flourish. Back then they told one to keep it refrigerated. I did not use it for long because I found the Tropica Ferts, I have used them now through several rebrandings. I used to be able to get it in a big 4 liter jug, Not any more. Now I have both the Specialized and the the Premium Nutrition depending on the tank/plants/fish load.

I use a not aquatic fertilizer for substrate. It is one that is time release, I can vary the dosage easily but it can never be dug uo and allowed to get into the water column. If this happens you will get an education in an insane algae outbreak. I refer to this as earning an MBA, Mastered By Algae.

The fert I use are Jobe's For Lush Ferns & Palms. N-P-K = 16-2-6.

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The spikes can be easily cut to any size needed. With bigger plants with a large root mass I prefer to cut a spike unto smaller pieces in push them into the substrate from different sides of the root mass. For potted plants I use much smaller pieces. I usually fertilize with the Jobe's every 3 months March, June, September and December. Calendar quarters make timing easy to remember.

The bast part of the Jobe's is the cost. Two 30 spike packs on Amazon are Just under $11. I have had as many as 13 planted tanks at one time and still have 6. Since 2002 I have bought about 6 packs total. If you can find something cheaper and that can work as well, I would be amazed. I got my first 4 packs from a fish keeper in FL as they were then hard to find up here in NY. I traded six BN plecos born in my tanks for them. I paid the fish shipping and he paid the fert shipping.

In my high tech CO2 added tank there was not any plant I could not have thiving. It was a 50 gal. and I had to stop planting swords in it as in a matter of month they outgrew the tank and I had to give them away to folks with much bigger tanks.
 
I have done the process you mentioned exactly once. I removed the original substrate over a couple of weeks removing strips of the original substrate, about 1/10 the bottom area per day or two. Plants in the gravel removed area were repotted and place back into the tank along with hardscape that was affected by the process. Once this process was complete, I kept the tank bare bottomed for a couple of weeks. I then rinsed the Black Florite and put it in a bit at a time, over a week. The work was broken up based on how cloudy the water would get each time. I will say it was very difficult to work around the fish, and working around the fish lengthened the process of change over by quite a length. I did not end up with any of my fish dying but I believe they were not happy and I would not do it again. My original substrate was not too deep but if it was the process would have been more difficult, and I would have more risk of releasing hydrogen sulfide. Speaking from experience I would agree with @MaloK statements.

Me too, And I wouldn't do it again.

one issue I had with it is that it is partially magnetic, this is an issue because any of the silt, or larger particles stirred up and pulled into the filter could end up in the impeller assembly.

It's not the first time I hear someone say that. And it grinds the magnet case until the motor is scrap.
 

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