Step-by-step Guide To Moving And/or Upgrading An Existing Set-up

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Moving an existing tank and/or upgrading to a new tank

Questions about how to move or upgrade a tank come up quite frequently, so I thought it would be a good idea to write a little post on how to do it… I will cover both in this, as the methods for doing each are almost identical. This is just how I do mine when needed, and there are many variations on how to do it :nod:

You cannot move a tank with anything in it, as it risks cracking the base and/or side panes. Though all Aquariums are made to hold a large amount of weight (almost always in excess of 100KG) they are designed to hold it stationary, and not move once set-up. This is why an existing tank needs to be completely stripped before you attempt to move it anywhere.

Before you start

The water in the tank holds nothing that you need to keep. All filter bacteria are in the filter, and can be moved with that. Where possible, discard the old tank water down the drain. Before you tip it away however, just ask yourself if you can heat all the water you will need for the setting-up of the newly positioned tank inside a couple of hours… If you cannot heat enough water in the time available, you will have to store the old tank water to make it less of a chore and stop it from being as time consuming when you get to filling the tank up :nod: you will also need to store some water when you move houses.

If you are moving house, you will need to keep at least 50% of the water to avoid issues with acclimation at the other end. I generally would scrap the water if you were not moving house, if it is possible, but house moves require the old water, such that the fish don't have to quickly change from soft acidic water to hard alkaline stuff, or visa versa ;)

You can store fish in one of two ways;

1) Try to get two bags for each species of fish you are moving, and one polystyrene fish box for every 16 bags you get. (8 bags fit a box, and you will be double bagging) It will be easier to acclimate the fish into the new set-up if they are bagged, but you will likely be working at the setting-up part for a couple of hours unless it is a very small tank. For this reason, you need to bag the fish and store them for a couple of hours. A box will keep the heat in better than a bucket IME, though a larger container could be used with filters and a heater attached... A cooler could also work instead of a box... Aim for medium-large fish to be bagged separately and smaller fish like Neon’s to be bagged in 10-20’s. This will ensure they have enough air to last for the time they are being stored for. Fish with sharp fins should be placed into plastic or glass containers, as they will pierce a bag. Large fish can be placed into a box on their own if you cannot get bags large enough… :good:

2) Use a large container of at least 20l to store the fish. If the container is significantly smaller than the tank, you will want a smaller heater to avoid temperature fluctuations within the container due to the heater being overpowered. For tanks over the 30g range, two containers may be preferable...

Moving the tank will take a few hours, so it is best to do it when you have the whole day spare :good: Make sure you read all bolded sections before following the section you are reading, and there is an important (IMO at least) point being made in those bolded words… Finally, make sure you have enough man or woman power to lift the various bits and pieces. A tank weighs more than it looks to if you can’t remember when you first set it up… My 4ft’er took 4 of us to get into position…

When you know you have to move the tank, make sure you start doing some thorough gravel cleans and water changes a couple of weeks in advance. One week before the move is a good point to clean out your filters as appropriate. Some members associate stirring up a lot of rubbish with mini-cycles after a move, so if you get rid of this rubbish, you reduce the chances of a mini-cycle occurring.

Turn the heater off 1/2 an hour in advance, as a hot heater will crack if suddenly exposed to air while draining. This gives it ample time to cool off. Turn off the rest of the equipment before you go into the tank as is recommended to every time you place your hands into a tank

Preparing to move the existing tank

Because a tank cannot be moved full, you must first empty it (well, it goes without saying really :rolleyes: )

Before attempting to round up the fish, take out all easily removed ornaments, like live plants, rockwork, wood and any plastic objects. This will make catching fish a lot easier, as suddenly they won’t have anywhere to hide :shifty: With shoaling fish like Tetras though, you might find it useful to leave one fairly square rock in the centre, such that you can “herd” the shoaling fish into a net more easily. Next up, drain the tank down to about 2/3 full, again to make catching fish easier... For faster fish that do not herd easily, remove all decor and use two nets. Use a scissor type action to force the fish into one net or another. This method will take some practice to acquire :nod: You can also herd fish into a large net, using a smaller one :good:


Once that prep work is done, do one of the following, according to how you plan to store your fish while you work;

1) Catch the fish and bag by species. They may well get along fine in your community, but when under stress in a bag, they may become more aggressive than usual. Bagging by species gives all the fish a fair chance and avoids them coming out of the storage container with half the bags occupants shredded :good: You want no more than 1/3 of the bags' contents to be water, and really, the less water the better, as it is the air the fish need :nod: Stand the bag, untied, in the box you are using to store them. Hold the bag’s neck open and grab where it is level with the box top. Twist and tie the bag where it no longer holds air, and then slip a second bag over; you don’t want any leaks in storage ;)

2) Catch the fish and transfer to the large container with their living decor added also. Larger containers over 20L can have a small heater of 25W added and their filter can also be ran in here if you require... For the avoidance of doubt, a container is pretty much anything that is water-tight and can be used for holding water. Ideally you want to have a container of 30l for a larger tank, or more... Heat to one watt per gallon, and no more than two watts per gallon, or the temperature will "bounce" stressing the fish. Larger tanks may require you to double up on containers and heaters, and you may choose to periodically switch the filter between the containers if you are running it during your transfer.

Next remove the media from the filter and bag it like the fish, with just enough water to cover it and the rest air :good: This will keep your bacteria alive and wet while you finish off the move/transfer. If you are using a large container, you could alternatively run the filter in that with the fish/old tank water :good: For short transfers with large (for the tank it's running) external filters, you can get away with not removing and bagging the media :nod: If you leave the external as-is though, it will only go for a couple of hours safely, without having it's water within changed, unless it is kept unusually clean, or you are "over filtered" by a long way on the tank you are running. Filter bacteria will consume as much oxygen as the fish that they support, so a small external, or one that just the right size for the tank and runs alone, will end up suffocating the bacteria if it is left switched off for a prolonged period of time. Likewise with fish, in smaller set-up's where the move will be quick, you can just move them into a bucket with live plants and their filter added. This will cool quite quickly though, so a judgement call is required :nod: Never add a heater to a bucket with livestock in, unless the container is large, and the heater appropriately sized as it will make the temperature bounce around all over the place, due to the small water volume, and put the fish under un-necessarily increased amounts of stress :sad:

Finish draining the tank and remove all equipment that remains, along with the substrate to a bucket. If the substrate is to be used in the new location or set-up, give it a really good wash under the tap as if it were new substrate being prepared for it's first use. If the tank is being moved and not upgraded, give the inside a really good clean with a sponge and water while you have the chance. If you are upgrading, you want to rinse out the tank now to remove any dirt that may be in it.

Do not rinse the gravel under the tap if you are using an Under Gravel Filter in your tank! This would kill your filter bacteria and force you into a fish-in cycle :crazy:

Setting-up again….

Now that the tank is empty and clean, position the stand in it’s new location and check it is level. If the tank is floating based (has a plastic support frame around the bottom, raising the base off the stand a little way), place it strait onto the levelled stand. For all other tanks, place your new polystyrene sheets on the top of the stand, and make sure if you are using more than one, that they rest against each-other snugly :good: I would not trim them to size yet, as it’s easier to do it later after some weight is on-top of them. Next up, place and centre your tank, ensuring that the polystyrene sheets are all still touching each other.

Next add the substrate and solid decoration (where applicable) to the tank. If you are using a UGF, you will need to fit the plate before adding the substrate, along with the riser tubes Set-up your ‘scape as you like and then half fill the tank with water. If you are using old tank water for all or part of the re-fill, it should be added here. After partially filling, add your plants, as it usually makes it a little easier to work with them :good: Position your heater(s) and place as much of the filter as is practically possible back into the tank (for an external, this would be the pipe-sets. UGF filters will already be assembled and internals won’t be able to be positioned until the media is out of storage…). At this point, I’d use a sharp knife to trim the supporting polystyrene under the base, where applicable.

If you are using new water, de-chlorinate before you add any livestock or filter media back into the tank. In a UGF system, the gravel is the filter media, so all water must be de-chlorinated before adding to the tank

Now, follow below, depending upon how your fish are stored.

1) Open up the boxes with your filter media and fish in. Place the media into the filter and start it up, along with the heater. Make sure the heater is fully submerged before you start it, likewise with any internal pumps… Leave the lights off. Float the bags with the fish in, in the tank. Fill the remaining space with water to the maximum point (de-chlorinate the water if you are using fresh water at any point beyond adding the filter media and/or fish). Once full, commence your usual acclimation technique.

2) Half empty your container, and then start a siphon with some air-line from the tank into the container. When the container is full, net the fish back into the tank.

After the move and/or set-up

Now that you have successfully moved or upgraded your tank, you need to keep the lights off and not feed for the rest of the day. :good: Every day for the next week, check a sample of water for ammonia and nitrite to ensure you have not entered a mini-cycle. If this is the case, you will have to proceed with a standard fish-in cycle regime. It is very unlikely that you will get a mini-cycle if you keep the media wet at all times, and if one does occur, it should be way shorter than a normal new tank’s fish-in cycle, as all the media is mature :good: Feed sparingly for a few days after also.

For more information on fish-in cycling (or for a refresher just in case), please see the articles below;

Miss Wiggle’s Article on fish-in cycling…

My Article on fish-in cycling…

It would be a good idea to read both, as each of us miss a few small details… :blush: Miss Wiggle's thread is the more common working article though :good:

With thanks to;

Miss Wiggle, for points about catching fish, turning off equipment and storing livestock and filters, as well as pre-move cleaning.
RDD1952 for points about storage of fish in containers other than bags and storing water while moving house

Related threads

Miss Wiggles "setting up a tank" thread for a reminder of how to set-up a new tank. Some can be transferred to here.

Any comments and/or suggested improvements are welcomed

HTH
Rabbut
 
Re-read carefully, you have switched a few words around. All in all a great writeup.

Re-read the thing and clarifyed a few things that i thought might confuse. Also found a few places where I'd put tank instead of take :blush: Anything I've missed?

Thanks for the feedback

All the best
Rabbut
 
at first skim it looks good, will have a closer read when i get the chance
 
ok had a proper read now, v good overall...... few bits and bobs, nothing major just my opinion!!

1 - is it worth a reminder to switch off the heater before you start to drain the water as it needs time to cool down or it may shatter

2 - you say to bag the media up, not necessary with an external cannister filter

3 - i would put a little tip in about catching fish with 2 nets, remember if this is the first time someone is moving/upgrading a tank then they may well have never tried to catch a fish before as the lfs will have bagged them up for them!

I usually say empty the tank of all ornaments, drain it to aound one third full (less water = less places for the fish to go!) hold a large net at one end of the tank and use a small net to herd the fish down and into the big net. remember to have your bag prepared with water in and if you aren't practised at it to have someone else holding the bag open. you want to minimise the time out of water for the fish so be prepared and decsive. once you have a fish in the net gently hold onto it so the fish doesn't flap around and jump out of the net.

4 - I appreciate that bagging fish up will keep them warmer for longer than just popping them in a bucket and covering it, but i have to say in all the times i've done this i've always just used a large bucket, i stick a thermometer in it to measure the temp and i've never had it drop down significantly enough to cause a problem.

if you expect it to take a while to move everything around then an alternative is to get a large garden tidy tub, fill it with water from the tank (as it's up to temp) it's big enough to pop a small internal filter and heater into and that will keep everything warm enough and with enough oxygen in the water for a good few hours while you move everything around. also you can dump your plants/decor in there with the fish as they are always calmer when they have some cover
 
1 - is it worth a reminder to switch off the heater before you start to drain the water as it needs time to cool down or it may shatter

That is a very good point... Never had any issues with heaters cracking through not being left to cool for 1/2 an hour, but I know many manufacturers recomend that. :unsure: Left them on while draining before and that deffinately caurses issues :lol: Painful, and not always just for the wallet :crazy: Thanks goodness for RCB's...

2 - you say to bag the media up, not necessary with an external cannister filter

It depends uppon how long you will be. Generaly larger tanks have exturnals, and they take longer to move, especially if it's your first time doing it and you haven't stream-lined the opperation... Bagging the media gives you an excessive 48 hours if nessisary to finish off, where as leaving it in the filter gives you 1 or 2... I'll put a note that it isn't needed for small tanks with oversized exturnals, where the process is fairly short, but I'll leave the recomendation in for those with larger tanks and/or small exturnals :good: Remember that the filter bacteria consume almost as much oxygen as the fish that they support, so the oxygen levels in the canister will depleate quickly and start to caurse problems after a relatively short while...

3 - i would put a little tip in about catching fish with 2 nets, remember if this is the first time someone is moving/upgrading a tank then they may well have never tried to catch a fish before as the lfs will have bagged them up for them!

I usually say empty the tank of all ornaments, drain it to aound one third full (less water = less places for the fish to go!) hold a large net at one end of the tank and use a small net to herd the fish down and into the big net. remember to have your bag prepared with water in and if you aren't practised at it to have someone else holding the bag open. you want to minimise the time out of water for the fish so be prepared and decsive. once you have a fish in the net gently hold onto it so the fish doesn't flap around and jump out of the net.

That's a school-boy's error on my part realy :blush: I'll deffinately add that in, thanks for spotting it ;)

4 - I appreciate that bagging fish up will keep them warmer for longer than just popping them in a bucket and covering it, but i have to say in all the times i've done this i've always just used a large bucket, i stick a thermometer in it to measure the temp and i've never had it drop down significantly enough to cause a problem.

if you expect it to take a while to move everything around then an alternative is to get a large garden tidy tub, fill it with water from the tank (as it's up to temp) it's big enough to pop a small internal filter and heater into and that will keep everything warm enough and with enough oxygen in the water for a good few hours while you move everything around. also you can dump your plants/decor in there with the fish as they are always calmer when they have some cover

Mebe I'm just slow at moving tanks, or my house is unusualy cold, but I have issues keeping the temperature stable over a period of more than an hour... If the fish are boxed in darkness, they are equally as calm as they would be hiding I would have thought. Using a bucket is another valid way of doing it for short moves though no doubt, or in warm houses :nod: The box realy dose store the heat well though :nod:

Thanks for all that input Miss Wiggle, it's greatly appreciated. *Goes to do some editing...*

All the best
Rabbut
 
Good article but I would like to add a little to other comments that have been made.

The water in the tank holds nothing that you need to keep. All filter bacteria are in the filter, and can be moved with that. Where possible, discard the old tank water down the drain.
In most circumstances, I would keep half the existing water. While it's true that there are no beneficial bacteria present in it, saving the old water makes acclimation a non-issue since the fish will be going back into the same water they came from. You put the old water back in the tank, add the fish and finish filling. It's basically a 50% water change. This is even more important if you are moving to a new home (rather than simply moving the tank across the room) as there could be a significant difference in the water parameters at the new location, especially if it's well water.

For short transfers with large (for the tank it's running) external filters, you can get away with not removing and bagging the media :nod: If you leave the external as-is though, it will only go for a couple of hours without having it's water within changed. Filter bacteria will consume as much oxygen as the fish that they support, so a small external, or one that just the right size for the tank, will end up suffocating the bacteria if it is left switched off for a prolonged period of time.
I do know that the bacteria need oxygen but I'm not so certain that 2 hours will be a major issue. I (and many others) have had power outages of 12 hours or more where the water in the filters was not changed and had no issues with loss of bacteria. Since there is really no ammonia or nitrite in the water, the bacteria are doing little in the way of nitrification meaning the need for oxygen is minimal. I could be totally wrong about this though.

4 - I appreciate that bagging fish up will keep them warmer for longer than just popping them in a bucket and covering it, but i have to say in all the times i've done this i've always just used a large bucket, i stick a thermometer in it to measure the temp and i've never had it drop down significantly enough to cause a problem.

if you expect it to take a while to move everything around then an alternative is to get a large garden tidy tub, fill it with water from the tank (as it's up to temp) it's big enough to pop a small internal filter and heater into and that will keep everything warm enough and with enough oxygen in the water for a good few hours while you move everything around. also you can dump your plants/decor in there with the fish as they are always calmer when they have some cover

Mebe I'm just slow at moving tanks, or my house is unusualy cold, but I have issues keeping the temperature stable over a period of more than an hour... If the fish are boxed in darkness, they are equally as calm as they would be hiding I would have thought. Using a bucket is another valid way of doing it for short moves though no doubt, or in warm houses :nod: The box realy dose store the heat well though :nod:
I have also used the tub method. Most home improvement stores sell them. The one I have is 18 gallon which is plenty big enough for the fish from most tanks under 50 to 75 gallons and for larger tanks you can use 2 or more. It's easy to stick a heater in since there is a large enough amount of water to prevent issues with fluctuatons. Using tubs or buckets is also much less stressful on the fish than bagging as they have much more swimming room. It also keeps the ammonia levels low. Just in a short period of time, bagged fish can create a large amount of ammonia. Obviously, that is much more diluted in 5 to 15+ gallons than in 8 to 16 ounces. And last but not least, the larger the volume of water, the slower the temperature loss will be even if you don't use a heater in the tub/bucket.
 
The water in the tank holds nothing that you need to keep. All filter bacteria are in the filter, and can be moved with that. Where possible, discard the old tank water down the drain.
In most circumstances, I would keep half the existing water. While it's true that there are no beneficial bacteria present in it, saving the old water makes acclimation a non-issue since the fish will be going back into the same water they came from. You put the old water back in the tank, add the fish and finish filling. It's basically a 50% water change. This is even more important if you are moving to a new home (rather than simply moving the tank across the room) as there could be a significant difference in the water parameters at the new location, especially if it's well water.

That would be a consideration for moving house, yes, I'd agree that that needs adding in as a note. I was mainly focusing on inter-room moving, where there isn't a great deal of advantage to keeping water and plenty of resons to go with plenty of fresh, but that is a fair point.

For short transfers with large (for the tank it's running) external filters, you can get away with not removing and bagging the media :nod: If you leave the external as-is though, it will only go for a couple of hours without having it's water within changed. Filter bacteria will consume as much oxygen as the fish that they support, so a small external, or one that just the right size for the tank, will end up suffocating the bacteria if it is left switched off for a prolonged period of time.
I do know that the bacteria need oxygen but I'm not so certain that 2 hours will be a major issue. I (and many others) have had power outages of 12 hours or more where the water in the filters was not changed and had no issues with loss of bacteria. Since there is really no ammonia or nitrite in the water, the bacteria are doing little in the way of nitrification meaning the need for oxygen is minimal. I could be totally wrong about this though.

This is interesting, as I have known a mini-cycle to come about after power being off for a couple of hours. It wasn't a power-cut, I'd just watered the plug sockets :blush: and hence I could not use that ring-main while the sockets were made safe... I imagine that you could go a while with a clean filter, but one containing a lot of detriatus would continue having that rot down, producing ammonia and hence raising oxygen consumption. If I remeber right, you have two filters on your that can run your tank alone, so that will spread you bacteria and reduce any die-off rates? I suppose with this kind of varyability, it's hard to say want is best. It would be good to run the filter somewhere, but the bucket with the fish in wouldn't be idea and bags on a longer move an even worse idea :rolleyes: ...

4 - I appreciate that bagging fish up will keep them warmer for longer than just popping them in a bucket and covering it, but i have to say in all the times i've done this i've always just used a large bucket, i stick a thermometer in it to measure the temp and i've never had it drop down significantly enough to cause a problem.

if you expect it to take a while to move everything around then an alternative is to get a large garden tidy tub, fill it with water from the tank (as it's up to temp) it's big enough to pop a small internal filter and heater into and that will keep everything warm enough and with enough oxygen in the water for a good few hours while you move everything around. also you can dump your plants/decor in there with the fish as they are always calmer when they have some cover

Mebe I'm just slow at moving tanks, or my house is unusualy cold, but I have issues keeping the temperature stable over a period of more than an hour... If the fish are boxed in darkness, they are equally as calm as they would be hiding I would have thought. Using a bucket is another valid way of doing it for short moves though no doubt, or in warm houses :nod: The box realy dose store the heat well though :nod:
I have also used the tub method. Most home improvement stores sell them. The one I have is 18 gallon which is plenty big enough for the fish from most tanks under 50 to 75 gallons and for larger tanks you can use 2 or more. It's easy to stick a heater in since there is a large enough amount of water to prevent issues with fluctuatons. Using tubs or buckets is also much less stressful on the fish than bagging as they have much more swimming room. It also keeps the ammonia levels low. Just in a short period of time, bagged fish can create a large amount of ammonia. Obviously, that is much more diluted in 5 to 15+ gallons than in 8 to 16 ounces. And last but not least, the larger the volume of water, the slower the temperature loss will be even if you don't use a heater in the tub/bucket.

That is a point, ammonia will build up to higher quantities in a bag, but so will CO2, and that will pull the pH down, converting plenty of that ammonia to ammonium which is less toxic... A polly box IME is able to go for about 24 hours without any heat packs if needed, and still stay warm enough. There are arguments for and against each. I think I should mebe add your methods to it, but then we are getting into massive walls of text. I would then realy be wanting to post the Pro's and Con's of each method, which makes things even longer.... *sigh*

OK, I'll go for another edit to add your points RDD, and methods too, and then finally I may have to go through an look for bits to cut and slice out...

All the best
Rabbut
 
Not going to try to quote everything as it gets looonnnggggg.

Even for moving tanks within the home, the tanks can have a pH significantly different than the tap. I have city water with 0 KH & GH so my tank pH tends to drop. Since all my fish prefer acidic water, it's not a problem. I just checked the pH in my tanks (first time in ages): 75 gallon is 6.8, 29 gallon is 6.4 and tap is 7.2. For the 29 gallon that would be a pretty large swing just for an in-house move.

As for the bacteria die-off, I agree that a dirty external filter would have trash being broken down and thus using O2. I'm not certain how much of a factor that would be though. I know that bacteria can go without food for a significant period of time without any significant die-off. Nitrifying bacteria are some of the slowest to multiply but also slowest to die off. BigNose posted about that in this thread. It speaks of them going into a dormant or resting stage but if there is food present, that wouldn't be the case.

I would definitely agree that bags and insulated boxes would be best if you were looking at a time frame of 12 to 24 hours, especially if moving to a different home unless you can tub them with a heater and a filter. The buckets or tubs would really be for time frames of 3 to 4 hours or less. In most instances, you can move a tank in-house in that time frame. And you are correct about the ammonia/CO2/pH in the bags. But because of that, the longer they are in the bags, the quicker they need to be taken out of that water once the bag is opened since that will release the CO2 causing the pH to rise again, making the ammonia toxic again.
 
I'm not shure if it has been moved from Discussion into the Scientific section now, but there was a thread on Aclimation. In that rather long thread, there was a very strong argument for pH being in-significant, with GH and most importantly KH being the ones to watch when acclimating (and salinity for marines). A few people were arguing that pH shock was realy hardness shock being seen as pH shock, due to more people only having a pH test kit... When I acclimate, I give little regard to pH myself and worry more about GH, KH and salinity for my marines, along with how long they have been in bags for... I'm not saying that is the recomended way of doing it, but I am trying to surgest that a pH move when being de-bagging is perhapse of little impratance if your hardness, and salinity where appropriate, readings are very close :good:

Thinking about it now, I remember that most of the ammonia that fish produce come from the gills, so the crud in the filter probibly isn't too bad as you say :unsure: I think it would probibly be a safer idea to recomend bagging in most cases, or cleaning out the filter a week in advance of the move. What do you think?

Again, I must be realy slow, but it took me about 4-5 hours to move the Juwel Record 98 (near enough 100l) last time, and about 6 the time before... Only realistically a 60l tank can be moved by myself and family within the 3 hour mark... This is why I favor bags to vats or buckets. This said, I only have about 15l buckets available to me when I move the tank, and I am usualy horrendously overstocked in the general consensous of many members on this forum :rolleyes: Putting 40-50 fish into a 15l bucket in the case of my last tank move would be asking for trouble, and I would be uncomfortable about using two... If I had access to a couple of your 18g vats, then mebe your method would be more practicle for me... There are two options on how to move them in the thread, so mebe just leave them there unless you want to add anything to either? and then anyone following those directions can choose the storage method they prefur for their situation :good:

All the best
Rabbut
 

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