Somebody who actually did a true Amazon aquarium.

[Stan510]

Its at least MUCH closer to what's in the Amazon then an aquarium with fish you like from all over the world. Discus? Yeah,thats a hard one. What footage I've seen of them in habitat,was deep rivers and low light and not much water plants..lots of drowned forest looking. The water is not only tannin- but silty /muddy looking. The explorers always add "The water tests good enough to drink".
But swords and the various plants that look like Cabomba and water lilies are not hard to find for sale.
One youtube site where the guy actually recreated a certain river in South America ? " Below Water". He's got ties to the industry and lives in Canada..but he's got the super rare Leporinus,Anostomus,Cichlid and gobies only from the river in a 20' long home aquarium. He's even got a huge mega strong pump to make a river like flow. Xingu river- found it. Check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/c/amazonbelowwater/videos

 

[Byron]

There are actual dolphins that live in that river. So to say it’s completely different from the ocean isn’t quite accurate.

I'm not following this...so what? Dolphins that live in the freshwater Amazon are not the same species that live in the ocean. The point I was making previously is that the relationship for fish species on a coral reef is not the same as the relationship of freshwater species.

Just my opinion, but don’t forget how large the Amazon actually is. The amount of biodiversity in that river would have to be much larger than any river we would be familiar with.

I don't follow this either.

 

[Byron]

Its at least MUCH closer to what's in the Amazon then an aquarium with fish you like from all over the world. Discus? Yeah,thats a hard one. What footage I've seen of them in habitat,was deep rivers and low light and not much water plants..lots of drowned forest looking. The water is not only tannin- but silty /muddy looking. The explorers always add "The water tests good enough to drink".
But swords and the various plants that look like Cabomba and water lilies are not hard to find for sale.
One youtube site where the guy actually recreated a certain river in South America ? " Below Water". He's got ties to the industry and lives in Canada..but he's got the super rare Leporinus,Anostomus,Cichlid and gobies only from the river in a 20' long home aquarium. He's even got a huge mega strong pump to make a river like flow. Xingu river- found it. Check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/c/amazonbelowwater/videos

I know Oliver Lucanus, we have corresponded, he has more than 25 years experience collecting fish from the wild, and is a professor at McGill University. He knows fish habitats.

 

[DoubleDutch]

Just my opinion, but don’t forget how large the Amazon actually is. The amount of biodiversity in that river would have to be much larger than any river we would be familiar with.

I think you mean the complete riversystem.
It is not one river these fish live in.
There in fact isn't such a thing as an Amazon biotope.

Several of the shown fish will NEVER meet in nature.

 

[DoubleDutch]

Altums in the wild

 

[DoubleDutch]

Discus in the wild

Notice the angels are P.scalare and there are so little plants

 

[FishNturt808]

I'm not following this...so what? Dolphins that live in the freshwater Amazon are not the same species that live in the ocean. The point I was making previously is that the relationship for fish species on a coral reef is not the same as the relationship of freshwater species.



I don't follow this either.

I am stating that a river as large as the Amazon and it tributaries would have an amazing amount of biodiversity and symbiotic relationships that would probably mirror those found on/in coral reef type situations. You don’t think there would be fish that clean other fish? Or fish that hunt together even though they are separate species? I think you guys are trying to be much to specific and looking at it very linear. Nature, whether in a river or ocean, finds ways for its inhabitants to survive and thrive.

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

There are actual dolphins that live in that river. So to say it’s completely different from the ocean isn’t quite accurate.

Very specifically different dolphin.
That's like saying there are otter off the coast of the NE Pacific coast and otters in the River Derwent.

See, here I question your knowledge of natural ecosystems. Living in a place (albeit very far and different from the Amazon) where I can see natural ecosystems firsthand on a daily basis I think you would be very surprised at nature’s ability to mix all those things you said were not ‘natural’

Yeah...question away and ignore my Tec.HD. App. Biol., MIBiol and MSc. Zoology, specialising in Ecology and Behaviour.
To be sure, Nature's a wonderful and complex and clever beastie, but that tank is still a fantasy.

 

[Byron]

I am stating that a river as large as the Amazon and it tributaries would have an amazing amount of biodiversity and symbiotic relationships that would probably mirror those found on/in coral reef type situations. You don’t think there would be fish that clean other fish? Or fish that hunt together even though they are separate species? I think you guys are trying to be much to specific and looking at it very linear. Nature, whether in a river or ocean, finds ways for its inhabitants to survive and thrive.

Agree, but that is not the issue involving keeping the fish together as shown in the posted video.

 

[FishNturt808]

Very specifically different dolphin.
That's like saying there are otter off the coast of the NE Pacific coast and otters in the River Derwent.

Yeah...question away and ignore my Tec.HD. App. Biol., MIBiol and MSc. Zoology, specialising in Ecology and Behaviour.
To be sure, Nature's a wonderful and complex and clever beastie, but that tank is still a fantasy.

Aren’t all our tanks just a fantasy? The dolphins in the river example were to show just how big that river is.

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

Aren’t all our tanks just a fantasy? The dolphins in the river example were to show just how big that river is.

Of course they are just a fantasy. You were the one trying to make out that that pretty tank was accurate and challenged me to say why it wasn't.
Not sure what the size of the river has to do with anything and, given the 'Amazon' consists of a large number of different river systems, some of them very different, the size of the 'Amazon' is a moot point.

 

[FishNturt808]

Of course they are just a fantasy. You were the one trying to make out that that pretty tank was accurate and challenged me to say why it wasn't.
Not sure what the size of the river has to do with anything and, given the 'Amazon' consists of a large number of different river systems, some of them very different, the size of the 'Amazon' is a moot point.

The size of the river plays into everything going on in its ability to maintain the type of diversity it can sustain.
I am merely trying to get y’all to accept the tank for what it is. The owners best attempt at making his/her own slice of whatever river they wanted to see. Far too often on this forum people start to rip into another for what they may see as ascetically pleasing to them. ‘Those fish can’t be with each other’ ‘those plants don’t belong’ ‘that’s not what the Amazon would look like’. It’s as accurate as the maker of the tank could make it for all we know. So enjoy it or not. But don’t be so critical on everything that comes up. Especially when it’s not even asked for.

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

The size of the river plays into everything going on in its ability to maintain the type of diversity it can sustain.
I am merely trying to get y’all to accept the tank for what it is. The owners best attempt at making his/her own slice of whatever river they wanted to see. Far too often on this forum people start to rip into another for what they may see as ascetically pleasing to them. ‘Those fish can’t be with each other’ ‘those plants don’t belong’ ‘that’s not what the Amazon would look like’. It’s as accurate as the maker of the tank could make it for all we know. So enjoy it or not. But don’t be so critical on everything that comes up. Especially when it’s not even asked for.

Funny...no-one was actually critical of the tank. Any criticism I made was based upon the false idea that it was, in any way, accurate...or 'a true Amazon aquarium'.
You then chose to join in by criticising the posts of others, having the audacity to throw this gem of maturity into the discussion;
"See, here I question your knowledge of natural ecosystems. Living in a place (albeit very far and different from the Amazon) where I can see natural ecosystems firsthand on a daily basis I think you would be very surprised at nature’s ability to mix all those things you said were not ‘natural’".

You might be surprised, but every single one of us can see natural ecosystems firsthand on a daily basis.

 

[FishNturt808]

Funny...no-one was actually critical of the tank. Any criticism I made was based upon the false idea that it was, in any way, accurate...or 'a true Amazon aquarium'.
You then chose to join in by criticising the posts of others, having the audacity to throw this gem of maturity into the discussion;
"See, here I question your knowledge of natural ecosystems. Living in a place (albeit very far and different from the Amazon) where I can see natural ecosystems firsthand on a daily basis I think you would be very surprised at nature’s ability to mix all those things you said were not ‘natural’".

You might be surprised, but every single one of us can see natural ecosystems firsthand on a daily basis.

Not critical, only on the fish, the plants, the mix of the fish and plants, the size of the tank (a 300 gallon), and let’s not forget the substrate. Good grief.

 

[DoubleDutch]

Not critical, only on the fish, the plants, the mix of the fish and plants, the size of the tank (a 300 gallon), and let’s not forget the substrate. Good grief.

People aren't critical on the tank at all, but on the impression given on it being a biotop tank or "mirroring" a part of the Amazon. It simply isn't. And if you tell us about the enormous amounts of fish and animals living in the Amazon region you're completely right. It is magnificent, but still doesn't make this a biotop tank / part of the Amazon river.

I'd like to have such a beautiful tank though.

That's all we're saying.