Skinny discus

[Barry Tetra]

Ammonia: 0, Nitrite: 0, Nitrate: out of test kit atm, pH 7.5,
GH: 3 dGH

 

[Lajos_Detari]

Have you stopped using the medication?
I think they are reacting to the medication.

I think it's too strong since it's a de-wormer for dog.
How much dosage did you use?
For dog, I believe it should be taken orally.

Did you put the medication in their food or the tank water?

If you put inside the tank, it will enter their gills and probably skin(if it can be absorbed through skin)
Probably their gills have become very irritated right now.

I'm not sure how much is the dosage if you use it for fish.
Perhaps, you can wait for Colin to reply if you still want to use it.

By the way, don't feed them with bloodworms any more.
Jack Wattley(Discus breeder) had warned against using bloodworms unless you want to keep deworming them.
Read this link below:

Metro Discus Medication (metronidazole) - Jack Wattley Discus

Learn how to use Metro Discus Fish Medication to treat internal parasites (Hexamita). If your discus are having symptoms Metro and this article will help.

wattleydiscus.com

By right Discus are quite hardy unless you didn't diagnose the disease correctly or treat them with the right medication from the beginning.

i think the deworming medications seem to be effective at the moment.
Probably one of the ingredients or the combinations of ingredients are effective.

Other medications that were mentioned earlier.
For Flubendazole, can you get this in your country or Malaysia or Singapore(neighbouring countries)?

https://shopee.com.my/NTLABS--Anti-Fluke-Wormer-100ml-i.130108590.5303406928

WORMER PLUS 20g (For Tropical Fish Flukes & Parasite)

Discus Wormer Plus Now in smart new updated packaging to celebrate 15 years since wormer plus first came out. Many fish come from massive river systems where water changes all the time. This is the difference to keeping them trapped in a 'glass box' & with nowhere to escape, unwanted pest can...

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It's called Wormer Plus and it contains Flubendazole.

If you want just Praziquantel, check this

https://shopee.sg/EIHO-PRAZI-GOLD-250ml-500ml-i.186222860.3739776260

Hikari Prazipro 16oz : Amazon.sg: Pet Supplies

Hikari Prazipro 16oz : Amazon.sg: Pet Supplies

www.amazon.sg

Are those Discus that have turned black still eating?

 

[Avel1896]

It’s called prarintel plus and it includes
Praziquantel 50 mg
Pyrantel 144 mg
Febantel 150 mg
All of them seems to have clamped fins after the treatment
View attachment 137958
I have 6 discus in my 53g blackwater tank and 1 of them died week ago and I think it’s too late for another one.
I also used Mebendazole week ago and I just read online that it can caused internal bleeding.

Which posoligy did you give Discus ? And what is the smallest posology recommanded for dog or cat ?

 

[Barry Tetra]

Which posoligy did you give Discus ? And what is the smallest posology recommanded for dog or cat ?

I gave them 2 tablets, I got the dosage from the fish health book.

I have no idea on the dosage for dogs and cats, the box only tells you ingredients.

 

[Avel1896]

I gave them 2 tablets, I got the dosage from the fish health book.

2 tablets you have dissolved in tank ? How many liters ?

 

[Avel1896]

I asked a friend on how he deworms his Discus, he said :
JBL Gyrodol : 1 drop/litre or 5 ml/100 litres.
Sera Trémazol : 1 ml per 20 litres.
JBL NedolPlus 250 : 10 ml per 75 litres.
And pieces of garlic every day all year long.

 

[Barry Tetra]

2 tablets you have dissolved in tank ? How many liters ?

200 liters

JBL Gyrodol : 1 drop/litre or 5 ml/100 litres.
Sera Trémazol 1 ml per 20 litres.
And pieces of garlic every day all year long.

We don’t have these med in my country

I am trying feed them garlic at the moment though, is it okay to use garlic that bought from the store?

 

[Lajos_Detari]

I asked a friend on how he deworms his Discus, he said :
JBL Gyrodol : 1 drop/litre or 5 ml/100 litres.
Sera Trémazol 1 ml per 20 litres.
And pieces of garlic every day all year long.

JBL Gyrodol treats tape worms.
Sera Tremazol ingredient is Praziquantel, which also treats tape worms.

He is using two types of medication to treat the tape worms.
It will be better to use something else such as JBL Nedol(recommended for Discus) that can kill different types of worm.

JBL Gyrodol Plus 250

Combats gill flukes, skin flukes and tape worms

www.jbl.de

https://pillintrip.com/medicine/sera-med-professional-tremazol

JBL Nedol Plus 250

For the treatment of hair worms, pinworms, Camallanus worms and other nematodes

www.jbl.de

I don't think garlic has any effect on internal worms though I may be wrong.

 

[Avel1896]

We don’t have these med in my country

Really ? Oh pity !

I am trying feed them garlic at the moment though, is it okay to use garlic that bought from the store?

Fresh garlic cut pellet size.

 

[Lajos_Detari]

It’s called prarintel plus and it includes
Praziquantel 50 mg
Pyrantel 144 mg
Febantel 150 mg

All of them seems to have clamped fins after the treatment


View attachment 137958

I have 6 discus in my 53g blackwater tank and 1 of them died week ago and I think it’s too late for another one.

I also used Mebendazole week ago and I just read online that it can caused internal bleeding.

According to this website, Febantal is slightly toxic to fish.

FEBANTEL TOXICITY, POISONING, INTOXICATION, OVERDOSE, ANTIDOTE: SAFETY SUMMARY for VETERINARY use on DOGS, CATS, CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS, SWINE, HORSES and POULTRY

SAFETY SUMMARY of FEBANTEL for VETERINARY use in DOGS, CATS, CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS, SWINE, HORSES and POULTRY. Poisoning, intoxication, intolerance, overdose, symptoms, signs, toxicity, safety margin, antidote, contamination, pollution, side effects, adverse drug reactions, poison...

parasitipedia.net

 

[Avel1896]

I forgot to mentionHe is using two types of medication to treat the tape worms.

It will be better to use something else such as JBL Nedol(recommended for Discus) that can kill different types of worm.

He uses Gyrodol and Tramezol when finding one but not the other.
And also NedolPlus. I fixed my post.

 

[Lajos_Detari]

I forgot to mentionHe is using two types of medication to treat the tape worms.

He uses Gyrodol and Tramezol when finding one but not the other.
And also NedolPlus. I fixed my post.

Seems like the combination of medications are more effective just like the Prarintel that has 3 different ingredients.

Colin will be familiar with the types of worms and treatments.

 

[Colin_T]

I have been looking for info online about the other ingredients in the deworming medication. There is some information saying Febantel and Pyrantel pamoate are slightly toxic to fish but the problem is when fish are left in high doses of medicated water for long periods of time (3-4 days). There is also information saying Praziquantel can be toxic to fish under the same conditions (high dose for a long time).

On the other hand there is information saying they are relatively safe for fish.

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Were any of the fish doing loop de loop, (spinning) before you treated them?

How long was the medication in the water for before you did a water change?

Fish spinning, spiraling (doing loop de loop) have a neurological problem and it's usually caused by a bacterial, viral or protozoan infection in the brain. If the fish were doing this before the medication, then they have another issue.

 

[Barry Tetra]

If you want just Praziquantel, check this
https://shopee.sg/EIHO-PRAZI-GOLD-250ml-500ml-i.186222860.3739776260

Thanks for this link, I think the shipping is the cheapest I’ve seen online for this med.

Are those Discus that have turned black still eating?

Nope, they have not been eating after med

Were any of the fish doing loop de loop, (spinning) before you treated them?

Nope!

How long was the medication in the water for before you did a water change?

About 8 hours and I think I overdosed, because I added medication to the food after they pooped out worms, though 90% twice a day should have clean it up by now right?

 

[Avel1896]

I gave them 2 tablets, I got the dosage from the fish health book

Want to be sure....
You gave them 2 tablets grounded and diluted in water, or 1 tablet cut in pieces per Discus ?

For info dosage for cat is 5 mg of praziquantel per kg bodyweight and 57.5 mg of pyrantel pamoate per kg body weight equivalent to 1 tablet per 8.8 lbs (4 kg) body weight.
I guess each Discus don't weight 4 kg...