Sick Ryukin?!?

[Forestpisces]

hi i recently got a calico ryukin and blue oranda from my local pets at home and in the week of having them the pair have settled in nicely. But over the past few days the ryukin has become slightly agressive at times, nipping the orandas tail and more recently has started becoming twitchy alomost like its having spasms and other times it will swim summersaults franticly. Is this normal?

Ammonia-0.25 ( just done a 50% water change to get this down)

im not sure of anything else as i fell into the typical trap of listening to the advise given by my local pet shop and dont have the neccesary water testing kits.
The ryukin holds its dorsal fin down and is very twitchy i also notice that the right side of its body seems to be a little swollen and sometimes it looks pink and its scales are dull.
My oranda is absaloutly fine and i have been doing rigouras water changes to keep my ammonia down.
Any advise please. I'm desperate?

 

[saph.st24]

hi
looping or somersaulting can be a sign of ill health or parasite infestation
the reddness could be the sign of an ulcer starting ,ulcers can be caused by damage to the skin from parasites and/or exposure to high levels of ammonia or nitrite.
you need to get water test kit for ammonia, nitrate and nitrite
is you tank filtered?
when doing water changes you need to dechloinate the tap water before you add the water to your tank you can get dechlorinator from you aquatics shop

if its parasites they will attack a fish that is ill or stressed if the fish dies the parasites will drop off the dead fish and find a new live host.
ask you fish shop if they do scrapes or find a place that does this will confirm parasites and which type, so you can treat the infestation properly rather then a shotgun approach which doesnt really work

 

[Forestpisces]

hi
looping or somersaulting can be a sign of ill health or parasite infestation
the reddness could be the sign of an ulcer starting ,ulcers can be caused by damage to the skin from parasites and/or exposure to high levels of ammonia or nitrite.
you need to get water test kit for ammonia, nitrate and nitrite
is you tank filtered?
when doing water changes you need to dechloinate the tap water before you add the water to your tank you can get dechlorinator from you aquatics shop

if its parasites they will attack a fish that is ill or stressed if the fish dies the parasites will drop off the dead fish and find a new live host.
ask you fish shop if they do scrapes or find a place that does this will confirm parasites and which type, so you can treat the infestation properly rather then a shotgun approach which doesnt really work

i treat my water with dehlorinator and i have a good filter in there. I was only told to leave the tank a week so im now paaying for it. Bloody pet shops dont even know how to care for pets . I have started treating for white spot as i found some white pinhead sized spots on the oranda. the ryukin has a sort of milky coating on its body. I dont know anywere that will do a scaping. Is there anything else i can do?

 

[saph.st24]

hi good to here you have a filter and dechlorinate alot dont

some pet/fish shops really dont know what they are on about but some a really good when you find a good one stick with it
they told you leave it a week thats only to get rid of the chemicals in the tap water because it isnt long enough to fishless cycle the filter , did they sell you any filter cycle bacteria to add to the filter by any chance?


you say your treating for white spot where on the fish are these whites spots? as these can be mistaken for tubicals which appear only on the gill plates,front edges of the dorsal and pectral fins when the fish is old enough to breed

the white coating does it look slimey ,grains of salt or fluffy as it could be several things a pic would be ideal

you could add aquarium salt to the tank ...this will help boost the fishes ammune system, salt also helps kill off free swimming parasites
can you raise the temperature of your tank? as this will help speed up the life cycle of any parasites in the tank and it will also boost the fishes ammune system and healing

oh and was you told to remove the activated carbon from your filter (black media either pellet or foam ) as the activated carbon removes the medication from the water


what medication are you using?

and do you have air going in the tank other then the filter return

 

[Forestpisces]

hi good to here you have a filter and dechlorinate alot dont

some pet/fish shops really dont know what they are on about but some a really good when you find a good one stick with it
they told you leave it a week thats only to get rid of the chemicals in the tap water because it isnt long enough to fishless cycle the filter , did they sell you any filter cycle bacteria to add to the filter by any chance?


you say your treating for white spot where on the fish are these whites spots? as these can be mistaken for tubicals which appear only on the gill plates,front edges of the dorsal and pectral fins when the fish is old enough to breed

the white coating does it look slimey ,grains of salt or fluffy as it could be several things a pic would be ideal

you could add aquarium salt to the tank ...this will help boost the fishes ammune system, salt also helps kill off free swimming parasites
can you raise the temperature of your tank? as this will help speed up the life cycle of any parasites in the tank and it will also boost the fishes ammune system and healing

oh and was you told to remove the activated carbon from your filter (black media either pellet or foam ) as the activated carbon removes the medication from the water


what medication are you using?

and do you have air going in the tank other then the filter return

ok. The spots on the oranda are on the side of its body and tail. the coating on the Fantail (did some reasearch so not a ryukin) just looks dull like the fishes scales are sort of blending together? IM working on a pic but my computer isnt co operating. The oranda mostly just sits in the bottom left corner of the tank and the fantail floats near the top. i had quite a scare yesterday i though it was dead but it flipped into life the minuet i turned the light on.
I was told to remove filter carbon but im unsure as to what this is my filter is a stingray sponge filter and im using pets at home white spot treatment.
Thankyou so much for the help

 

[saph.st24]

is it one of these
http/www.aquatics-online.co.uk/catalogue...ter-filters.asp

 

[Jazzzz]

stingray filters are not suitible in goldfish tanks sorry get a nice large fluval

 

[saph.st24]

i have a fluval 304 external filter and love it
i also have a fluval four plus in the same tank this is just used as a water polisher

buy another filter and run it along with the stingray

 

[Venus911]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you fish is suffering from nitrate poisoning. The fish, being relatively new; could have been poisoned by the previous keeper; or possibly you need to increase your water changes to reduce nitrate levels.

You may have noticed that the fish wasn't eating or perhaps bottom sitting before it starting swimming somersaults; these are symptoms associated with nitrate poisoning more than an other thing. Goldfish will eat under the worst of conditions.

Reduce nitrate levels gradually by performing several small water changes over a period of 1 day, and cross your fingers; mine are.