Sick Goldfish - Newbie Question

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Hi all

I got home last night to discover that my girlfriend had won two goldfish from a travelling fair that had camped up in between her place of work and home. Im not wanting to argue the rights and wrongs of this sooooooo needless to say i am now the proud owner of two fish in debatable health. :blush:

One looks to be showing signs of a fungal infection but otherwise seems to be active and healthy - so a bit of water treatment should do the trick. The other is more serious. The fish is quite lethargic and has dorsal and pectoral fins clamped to its sides and occasionally lies on the bottom at an angle - so i know something is most definatley wrong. When i drop food into the water its faster than a speeding bullet though - its certainly got a healthy appetite! So is it 'ill' or could it be stressed? :/

Rather than have a paper round as a kid i worked weekends in a local aquatics centre so i have a basic understanding of fish but its mostly tropicals rather than freshwater or marine.

So - im wondering can anyone help me out with a diagnosis and a solution?

Thanks for reading :good:
 
What size of tank do you have them in and is it now filtered?
I would add salt to aid stress and help with anything ailing the sick one. You have to assume as well that there are parasites present so using aquarium, pickling,solar or kosher salt add 1 teaspoon per gallon pre dissolved and do this three times every 12 hours which will give you a .3% solution. When doing water changes, recalculate the amount of water so you can add back the salt. You will need this level for two weeks.
Are you sure the sick one isnt a koi as they keep fins down when in tanks? It will have barbels at the mouth if it is.
Any chance of a pic?
 
Hi and welcome to the forum :) .
How many gallons is the tank you are keeping the goldfish in? Is it filtered?
When you say one of the fish is showing signs of a fungal infection, what are the symptoms it is showing exactly?
 
Hi and thanks for your welcome and prompt replies.

Lets see if i can provide some answers to your questions (im sure i'll have u rolling your eyes!)

As the fish were only 'won' last night i dont have a tank yet but my girlfriend managed to pick up a small goldfish bowl on the way home just so they werent stuck in a bag. Theyve been in the bowl about 18 hours as i type this. As you can imagine ive had to explain that they really need something more spacious - ideally with filtration and plant life.

As for my diagnosis on the fungal infection, there appears to be a slight cotton wooly texture to the flanks of the fish. Im no expert but in my (limited) experience that is fungus. Feel free to chastise me if ive jumped the gun on that -_-

Im reasonably sure that the noticably sick one isnt a Koi - tho again im no expert - but its about 2inches long, slender and is a dull red/gold colour. All the Koi ive seen are larger and look much more robust. I dont have a pic as im at work but i'll endevour to get one up this evening after work.

Im not at work tomorrow so i'll should be able to get to an aquatics centre and start getting the necessaries.
 
Do you know how big a tank you will need and what size filter? Personally i think for a few months a 30 gallon with a fluval 3+. Ultimately you will need 50 gallons. Happy shopping! :lol:
 
Do you know how big a tank you will need and what size filter? Personally i think for a few months a 30 gallon with a fluval 3+. Ultimately you will need 50 gallons. Happy shopping! :lol:

Im just waiting for the question "But how are we going to get 30 gallons of water home dear?" :p
 
Alternatively, once they're better, you could donate them to someone with a pond (which is where commons and comets belong). Or build your own :shifty:
 
Well ive got it into my head that im going to keep them (or 'it' should one croak). A pond is out of the question as we live on the 2nd storey of an executive apartment block. :crazy:
 
Well ive got it into my head that im going to keep them (or 'it' should one croak). A pond is out of the question as we live on the 2nd storey of an executive apartment block. :crazy:

A 50gal+ tank would probably be the best investment for your goldies future then :) .
The infection on the goldfish is more likely to be columnaris, which has a similar appearance to fungus but is a lot more common on the whole. Pimafix would be the bet med for treating this as it treats both external and internal bacterial infections as well as fungal ones too, its a good med that should work fine on the goldfish.

If you are saving up for a proper good sized aquarium for the goldfish, do you know about "cycling" tanks at all? Generally speaking, goldfish are very hardy fish, but its good understand how your tank's ecosystem works to help prepare you for anything you encounter in your new fish keeping hobby :) .
 
Ive been looking on Ebay this afternoon for a suitable tank which is close enough to pick up as the weight makes people reluctant to post them :/

As for 'cycling' Tokis-Pheonix ... All im aware about it is that its a way of controlling the nitrates that build up over time. Other than that im completely ignorant about it. :blush: As you've brought it up im assuming its important so id appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of a decent online guide if there is one? :good:
 
Ive been looking on Ebay this afternoon for a suitable tank which is close enough to pick up as the weight makes people reluctant to post them :/

As for 'cycling' Tokis-Pheonix ... All im aware about it is that its a way of controlling the nitrates that build up over time. Other than that im completely ignorant about it. :blush: As you've brought it up im assuming its important so id appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of a decent online guide if there is one? :good:

Yep there's a couple of guides on the forum for cyling;

Avoiding and treating new tank syndrome;

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=10099

The pinned topics/articles at the top of beginners section has a wealth of handy info :) ;

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=88643

Basically with the cycling thing, it mostly revolves around growing and keeping the bacteria which gets rids of toxins in your tank produced by waste which the fish poop out.
The two main forms of cycling are fishless cycling and cycling with fish. Fishless cycling is more complicated, but takes quicker to do and doesn't stress the fish out (as you only put the fish in after the tank is cycled). Cycling with fish means you can put some fish in the tank straight away, but it generally takes longer for the tank to become stable water quality wise and can be stressful for the fish.

Goldfish should be more than hardier enough to be used to cycle the tank, they are very tough fish, but because they are currently in a bowl, its probably better to get them in a tank ASAP (which will be a better environment overall in many ways, even if it is cycling) and cycle it with them than wait for the new tank to fishless cycle.

If you know anyone who has a tank or pond with a mature sponge filter, you can squeeze out some of the muck from their filter onto your new filter sponges, or borrow one of their mature filter pads, which will help speed up the cycle a lot by borrowing some of their benneficial bacteria :thumbs: .




As to keeping the tank clean, cleaning mainly revolves around;
1. Water changes: its imortant to do at least a 30% water change a week although its not advised to take out more than 60% of the tank water in a single day. Water changes help;
a. Keep the water clean.
b. Help prevent large build ups of nitrates
c. Help remove unwanted toxins from the water
d. Help prevent ph crash in old tanks, where an excess of minerals build up in the tank due to evaporation in the tank over long periods of time, causing the ph to crash which can be lethal for the fish.

2. Cleaning the substrate;
a. To help prevent build of waste in gravel substrate, which would otherwise rot and cause ammonia problems or harbor deseases like columnaris.
b. To help prevent build up of anorobic bacteria which causes pockets of toxic nitrites to grow in the subtrate, wether it be sand or gravel (sand is more prone to this than gravel, while gravel is more prone to trapping rotting waste than what sand is).
c. To help keep it clean- dirty substrate is particually bad for bottom feeding or dwelling fish like cories, loaches or pleco's.
Unclean substrate can bring on bacterial infections in fish particually if they spend much time around it (corys for example are prone to get bacterial infections in their barbels/whiskers from dirty substrate).

3. Cleaning the filter sponge;
a. To help prevent the filter clogging up, and in worst case scenario, stopping completely. Your bennificial bacteria lives here and to survive needs a constant source of waste/ammonia, water and oxygen to survive.

If the filter gets clogged up and stops working, that means the water stops flowing which prevents the bacteria from getting the oxygen it needs, and so dies/suffocates.

If the filter is over-cleaned, you remove its food source completely or too much and so starves.

If the filter sponge is cleaned in untreated tap water, the chlorine will kill the bacteria. So most people clean their filter sponges in old tank water from water changes as this is most likely not going to upset it.


To have your filter and benneficial bacteria working and growing properly and efficiently, you should roughly out clean your filter sponge every 10days to 2-3weeks in water from water changes. You should definately clean the filters pad out if they are clogging up with muck to the point the filter current is being affected.
Make sure you don't overclean the filter sponges, you should just clean them out enough so the filter runs smoothly :nod: .

Sand substrate is generally better for goldfish tanks as goldfish poop a lot in comparison to other fish, and sand doesn't trap as much waste as gravel. Goldfish have also been known to swallow gravel as well, which isn't good for them. You can either buy some nice fancy sand from your lfs (local fish store) or just get some childrens playsand and very thoroughly wash it out before you put it in the tank.
 
If you get a 50 gallon make sure your insurance covers any damage if it should break. Most insurances want extra for over 50 but its best to check
 
:good: Great stuff :good:

Thanks Tokis-Pheonix - i'll have a good read of this tonight!!! :hyper:

I'll check out what the house insurance covers too ;)
 

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