Sick Fish, Multiple Symptoms

woody07

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hi folks, i recently took up fish keeping and i have had great success for the past 4 months. Unfortunately they have recently become sick, with different fish showing different symptoms. i have 3 neon tetras (i had 5) 2 glowlight tetras (i had 5), 2 adult platies (1 male 1 female) 1 baby platie, about 6 guppies (3 are only a couple of weeks old, one is about 6 weeks old and the rest i dont know, i would say they are full adults) the adults are all female, i didnt have any intention of breeding them so when i got them i asked for females but a baby male got caught up somewhere. i have 2 loaches and 1 peppered cory (i had 3, these where the first to die) and my pride and joys, 4 gold rams. when i got the rams about 2 days later they started with white spot so i seperated them immediately and put them in a little 24L tank.

now, when it all first started about 4 weeks ago, i came home from work and noticed a cory trapped under an ornament upside down with a red patch on his belly. i thought the red patch was just because he had been trapped upside down and didnt think anything of it and removed him straight away. i kept an eye on the tank for the rest of the day and everything seemed ok, 2 days later another cory was dead with the same red mark, im assuming it was an ulcer. then my loaches went really dark in colour, and my guppies went really red around their gills, and eventually got a red ulcer around the rear of the fish. one of my neons lost his rear fin, but it has grown back now, my cory started looking sort of oily greenish colour and some of the guppies started with this shortly after, the guppies have lost a few scales but from what i can see one of the smaller fish keeps biting them i dont know if this is why. but the rams have also got red behind their gills and lost a few scales near the gills and started looking shiny. and today i noticed one of my neons stomachs has got bigger. i had noticed that my female plattie and my 2 guppies stomachs keep swell ing, but i have had a baby platie and a couple of baby guppies in the past 2 weeks so im assuming they where just pregnant as it hasnt seemed to affect the male. after doing various reading i came to the conclusion they had an internal bacterial infection and treated them for a week and a half with interpet anti internal bacteria. this cleared up a few of the symptoms but some still remain. red gills and greeny shiny/oily skin. i came to the conclusion they also have slime disease, i treated them for about a week with king british disease clear but it didnt seem to have any effect on the slimyness and they seemed to deteriorate a bit, i put in this week king british bacteria control which is a more broad spectrum treatment than the interpet one.

from what i can tell they have slime disease, internal bacterial infection and a gill infection all at the same time. i dont know if thats just me looking into it wrongly, and i dont know if curing 1 thing will make the other problems go away. any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.

1 more thing, one of my neons did show signs of whitespot so i increased the temp of the tank to 30c over a couple of days, its been at that for 9 days and there have been no signs of whitespot for the past 7 so i was going to turn it back down tomorrow.

any help on this would be greatly appreciated, i can try get pictures if you like

thank you
 
it would be helpful if you could include the size of your tank and the water stats, we might get a better idea of whats going on

i also see you have gold rams in your tank, personaly i would have these in a species only tank as i beleive they like a warmer tank to your other fish,
 
Red gills is generally indicative of ammonia poisoning, I agree, you need a urgent water test and get results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph.
 
Red gills is generally indicative of ammonia poisoning, I agree, you need a urgent water test and get results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph.

Yes, I was wondering about the ammonia too, especially with the gills... if there is an ammonia problem then they can also be prone to other problems.
 
hey folks, its a 150litre tank, i have been testing the water 3 times a weeka nd i also bought an ammonia tester that sticks to the inside of the tank, i havnt had any issues with ammonia so far, i have been doing water changes once a week approx 20-25% after each course of medication. i even took a water sample to my local pet shop and he tested the water and said it was fine.

eventually i will get rid of the guppies and platties and just have rams and tetra's but i want to make them better before doing anything else with the tank. thanks for your help.
 
If it is ammonia poisoning thats caused this what would be the best course of action?
 
Large water changes to remove the ammonia so the tests read 0 ammonia. (Large is as much as possible while not having to remove the fish).
 
Well my ammonia tester has shown less than 0.02ppm for 2 weeks now. I will do a 60 - 70 % change tomorrow. Once the ammonia is at 0 how long will it take for them to start recovering?
 
yes, nitrite and nitrate levels are ok, ph is about 7.5 and the hardness is quite high. they seem to be better today to be honest, less slimey. i will do a big water change and keep an eye on them all day tomorrow as its my day off work
 
nitrite is less than 0.5ppm and nitrate is less than 20ppm
 
are you aware that 0.5ppm nitrite is very toxic? even 0.25 can have ill effects on fish, you need it to be 0! i would advise a massive water change asap.
 
it doesnt measure below 0.5 ppm on the test strip, i did a 70% water change today at dinner and its still measuring the same.
 
test strip? i would advise you invest in a liquid based test kit, API master is the most well used as its the cheapest, paper strips are notorisly inaccurate, so your nitrite could be even higher, continue to change the water as often as you can, even if thats more than once a day untill you get a proper kit and know for sure what your water stats are, better be safe than sorry
 

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