Should I Keep Her?...get More?

guppler

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I finally took my cories in to the LPS. They are really kinda busy, but I think I got a pretty good deal at $1 each for 43 fishies ranging from about 3-6 months old. Anyway, I was in a pet store and I had a little money, so I couldn't just leave with all the money, even if we were running out of time to do stuff before Christmas. I ended up walking out with 6 ghost shrimp, 4 marbled hatchets, 1 coolie loach, 1 yoyo loach, and 1 ADF, at least I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
I saw the cloacal extension, if it's just a little bit of a bump, so I'm more sure of the gender than the species. she does have some webbing on her front hands, but her fingers also look pointy and her back feet definitely have at least 3 plack claws each, along with possibly 2 smaller white claws.
I've wanted a frog for a while, and they had a lot of healthy loooking ones, and I realized i could use my 10g with the nice flourescent rood and possible slight leak way up near the top of 1 corner that I just moved all the cory fry out of. I was thinking it could be quarantine for all the new guys for now.
I put in a treasure chest for the loaches, and grabbed all my floating plastic flowers from everybody and a good bunch of greenery, including 3 ' strings of anacharis from the comunity. One of the fake plants from the comunity came with a golden apple snail a little bigger than your average marble, but i figured that would be fine, and I also let them have a few tiny pest snails to see if anybody wanted to eat them.
So anyway, about the time I got tired of waiting for the fish to join the non fish which had already left their bags, I noticed the frog standing all crouched down on the bottom, like it was stalking something, and it was staring at the big yellow snail, but I thought, "that snail is almost as big as the frog,. Maybe it's going for the shrimp on the other side of the snail, or a smaller snail, or something., well pretty soon, the frog nipped at the snial, which tucked all it's appendages in quick.
I released the fish and the yoyo was hiding under the treasure chest imediately, with the coolie slithering up and down the walls and testing out spots behind sponge filters and stuff. The hatchets seemed a little confused, as only 2 were at the top and it took me a while to find the one standing on the floor a little too close to the frog, but I haven't seen the frog go after a fish yet. It did nip at a shrimp that walked too close and attacked the yellow snail twice more, while my mom was checing on us, so i took the snail out and handed it to her to go put it in a guppy tank. I also put in a small critterkeeper and picked up the snaileasily with my hand and dropped it in with a few pesty little snails. Then i sprinkled a tiny bit of about 4 different kinds of food in and watched until i had to go eat dinner. The frog is still in the critter keeper within the 10g tank, and she hasn't tried to get out, as far as I can tell.
Anyway, she was anoying me, because my selective memmory was telling me they eat fish food and shouldn't bother anything I want to keep, in fact we saw one in the store chewing on green flaky stuff. I'm wondering if I should take her back and just not have a frog right now or trade her for a smaller one that ddoesn't seem to want to spend all it's time on the bottom, or intoduce her to a betta, or let her have her own critter keeper, or declare this tank the one for creatures that caan't be trusted with babies and let her stay there, and maybe add more similar creatures. I'm guessing she would probably not get along well with the semiaggressive brackish critters I haven't been able to put with anything else (like gobies, puffers, and flounders)
Would another frog species go with her, or a newt?
Is this an unusually aggressive frog.

is she the wrong species after all?
Her nose looks piggish, but doesn't look as tubular as I thought they were suposed to be.
I'll have to look at the eyes again. She doesn't want to show me her hands right now, but I saw some webbing, but not all the way to the fingertips.
I have to take her back tomorrow to get all my money back.
I hope she hasn't killed anybody important yet, she was looking a little fat and tired the last timme I checked. :/
 
The longer I keep a critter, the harder it is to take it back.
i think I'll keep her. I was thinking about calling her Sandy on the way home, because her skin resembles sandpaper. Then last might I thought I might call her Miss Piggy.
I turned the critter keeper sideways last night, and everybody is still there this morning.
i think we'll be OK, but I might just have to keep some of the critters away from some of the others.
I think Piggy is the ADF rather than the ACF.
the eyes are on the sides of the head rather than the top, and the webbing on the hands is almost to the very fingertips when I get a good look.
I think she did try to bite the coolie at least acouple of times, but it's too quick for her, and so far, I think the shrimp are too.
 
Definatly an ADF, behaving just like my two! mine are in a little ten gallon community with some corys and a female betta.. its not aggression they are showing, they hunt for food with smell and if they smell something yummy they will just give a good snap in front of them to try and get whatever it is in their mouths! but generaly its only when i put food in there they get all hungry and excited :hyper:
they never do any damage to the fish, the only thing that annoys me is they eat alot of the fishes food if you let them be! my corys get sinking pellets and i caught Kermit with one shoveled into his mouth, its almost as big as his head! he is getting a bit fat :/
 
Hi guppler :)

It sounds like you have an ADF. ACFs have no webbing at all on their hands.

Did you look at this link yet?

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=18252

yup. I researcheed a bit before posting, but thanks for the link. I guess i was worried that even an ADF could be worse than i thought.
I'm not planning on intoducing her to freshly hatched cories any time soon, but the quarantine comunity seems to be getting along pretty well. About the only time i seemore than a nose of YOyo is when he chases everyone, but especially coolie away from the treasure chest. Froggy seems to be allowed to stand balanced with the toes of 1 foot on top of the treasure chest if she wants to. She's actually the only critter in the tank I've seen clearly eating, and the only 1 I've seen near the block of tubiflex worms I threw in. She waited for it to soften a bit and shakes it like a puppy. The hatchets do seem to skim the surface a little after I sprinkle a pinch of daphnia, but if I turn on the light or make any noise or if they see me, they just hide at the bottom with the shrimp.
Most of these guys are meant to move into another tank eventually.
 
I have two ADF's and i wont put them with any other fish becuase they are alot more agressive then people make them out to be.... Ive had them on and off for atleast 8 years and the one of the ones i have right now is about 5 and the other is around 3. I have them in a tank with no filter and no light and no heater. I keep the tank in the sun, and right next to the tank with a light. I have found that they like their tank alot colder then the other types of tropical fish, and that if you live in a place with mosquitos, gather some larvae becuase they LOVE it and the larvae will die after about 30-45 minutes becuase of the temperature change in the water. Also be very carefull they are escape artists. I leave the water level in my 2 gallon tank about an inch and a half below normal becuase they can jump out of most tanks. Every two months i do a complete water change. I put the two frogs in a tupperware container with a pinch or two of sinking frog/tadpole food and then empty out all of the gravel and water and clean it with very hot water. Also They LOVE to have sand at the bottom of their tank instead of gravel becuase they will sink down into it and just sit there. I used to have sand but every time i cleaned their tank id throw it away for sanitary reasons and i ran out and havent gotten anymore. I would deffinately buy a one gallon aquarium for the ADF and put a small live plant in it. I wouldnt get an aquarium with a filter becuase they are very very fragile and can have a leg sucked up and break off. Also, I only feed mine 3 times a week and i feed them this stuff called frog and tadpole food. I feed them 2 small pinches of it and even though it doesnt sink all the time leave the ones that float in there becuase the frog will just lounge around at the top and snap up the food every once an awhile. This is just some Info i have gathered over the period of time that ive had them and my frogs right now are doing great. Oh, alittle forewarning... They do shed their skin... and then they either eat it off of themselves or off of eachother... The first time i caught mine doing this i thought it was stuck in white sticky goo and paniced and watched for awhile. I figured out what it was doing and left it alone, but be prepared for this to happen. Hope i didnt tell you everything you already knew but if you want a happy healthy frog this is what id do.
 
I fail to see the problem. A frog which has webbed hands is an ADF. Yours has done nothing to the other inhabitants of the tank apart from peck at a snail? You are worrying about nothing. ADFs have very bad eyesight (especially in bright light) and so misidentify objects and critters. Mine will strike at snails, plants, the shrimp and each other if they see movement and think it is food, but they will not harm anything. I feed them bloodworms btw, as unspoken suggested. Frogs love them.
 
I fail to see the problem. A frog which has webbed hands is an ADF. Yours has done nothing to the other inhabitants of the tank apart from peck at a snail? You are worrying about nothing. ADFs have very bad eyesight (especially in bright light) and so misidentify objects and critters. Mine will strike at snails, plants, the shrimp and each other if they see movement and think it is food, but they will not harm anything. I feed them bloodworms btw, as unspoken suggested. Frogs love them.

I'm not worried about keeping the frog anymore, but I probably still won't put her with fry. All my tanks have potential for fry, except maybe the gold fish and they are so big they might eat the frog. I do have some critter keepers in various sizes and might put the frog in one of them at least some times, like if I decide to use the one she's in now for raising cory fry again. I probably could even get away with introducing her to sunny the betta. I'll think about it. Now I'm starting to worry about the loaches, because I think they'd be really happy in my comunity, but I'm afraid they would eat too many babies. I had hatches of cories Christmas eve and apple snails new years eve. But that's another forum.

oh, as for the mosquito larvae, I have put in freeze dried sometimes. Are they suposed to like those as well as fresh ones? I don't think it would be very safe to feed wild mosquito larvae in my area because last year they had a big west nile virus scare and sprayed about the whole county. My biology teacher gives the yellow billed magpie about 5 years to exticntion if we can't do something to protect them from the virus, and we had an unusually high number of human casualties too, as compared to other places. I don't expect vector control to be easy on mosquitos this year either, and I wouldn't let them grow near my place.

Actually, I think I want another ADF. I might try for a male and see if they talk to each other. They might be able to escape from my comunity if the water level isn't low, maybe even if it is low, but those critter keepers should be pretty much escape proof, as lond as I keep the lid closed. (which I do anyway because I don't want my cats reacing in for snacks)
 

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