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Setting Up New Aquarium

Mtvrdik10

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Hey guys it has been a while since i've started up a brand new fish tank. Filter, gravel, decorations and tank. Everything is new and fresh. What i've always done is add some goldfish as soon as the tank is up and running and the temp is set between 76-78. I leave the goldfish in for 5-7 days before adding any other fish. This goes along with a certain solution I add to the tank...I forget what it's called, but something along the lines that prevents new tank syndrome. That was the most recent way I did this and i've never had problems. Is it ok if I stick to this?

P.S. This was for a 55 gallon..I know bigger fish tanks may require longer downtime.

The goldfish are obviously put in to just get some bacteria in the tank obviously.
 
Hi Welcome along to the forum! That technique of using goldfish is really old now, the way to do it now which saves so much time and effort is to do a fishless cycle which uses house hold ammonia added in particular quantities each day. This means that rather than using fish and relying on their poop to create the ammonia and doing serious harm to the fish you just use pure ammonia to start the cycle for your tank it takes about 6-8 weeks but its so much easier than rushing things :)

An other massive advantage to this process even if you dont care about the well being about the goldfish is that there is 0 chance of the goldfish passing disease to the tank. Because of the really bad conditions in the tank created by their waste the goldies will get really stressed out and stress brings disease and even if the goldies die the disease will linger in the tank and could pass on to the fish you want to keep after the cycle.

What size tank is it you have now?
 
Ah cool good size tank :) Any ideas for fish you want to keep yet?

For a tank to be fully safe it is about 6-8 weeks usually, ph and temperature can make a difference to it as well. Though to be fair whether you use goldfish or the fishless process it will take about 6 weeks at least for a filter to become colonized with bacteria.

Really with filters you obviously need one to throw the water through at a decent rate but realistically its useless till the bacteria colony has grown to support the amount of fish the tank can hold.

If you want to speed it up the only real way is to get some mature media from an established tank, where abouts are you from? If anyone that sees this lives near you they might give you some media to help kick start cycle in your tank or indeed enough for it to be set up in a week or so. If you live near East Yorkshire let me know :) It needs to be close as the bacteria die off quite quickly if they are out of flowing, oxygenated water for too long.
 
A little off topic..but i've been here for over a year! haha thank you for the welcome though. I just post sparingly!

I live in Chicago actually and will be keeping some electric blue jack dempseys in there! Along with some green terrors..a couple yellow labads(spelling) and a pleco. I have a 120 gallon that I have waiting for them until they obviously start growing so that they won't be too crowded in the 55 gallon. I know you see the lineup of fish and are thinking...really? That's odd...but they all get along fine and have had no issues at all. Just looking to better their aquarium!
 
First of all, read the stuff in this link about cycling the tank:

Beginners' Resource Centre

That information explains about the different chemicals and bacteria that make up the "eco-system" of a healthy tank, and how long these bacteria take to become established. It also outlines the equipment you need to give your fish the best start.

Once you understand how the cycle works (and why it has to take as long as it does), you can explore ways of cutting that time down until you can add fish.

Here are a few menthods:

1) Fish-in cycle - similar to your goldfish method. You add a tiny number of fish, test the water daily and change as much water as necessary to keep ammonia and nitrites at zero. After a month or so you can add more fish. PROS: you can add a tiny number of fish right away. CONS: requires you to test the water daily, do large water changes (50%-80%) daily and potentially causes great harm to the fish, limits you to "hardy" fish initially (which will still get hurt/sick/die, but are in theory a little tougher than others), still takes around a month.

2) Mature media (i.e. ceramic rings or sponges from an established tank). PROS: you can add a few fish right away and you speed up the biological development of your own filter as the mature media already has established bacteria. CONS: easy to misjudge how many fish to add, still requires you to test water to make sure it is safe and you have to add fish within a few hours of adding the media or the bacteria will die.

3) Nitra-zorb/zeolite - this stuff chemically removes ammonia. PROS: removes ammonia artificially so you can add a few fish right away, can still allow you to develop you biological filter as long as the biological media (sponges/ceramic rings/etc) is placed before the chemical media in the filter (i.e. so the water hits the biological media first, giving the bacteria "first dibs" on the ammonia. CONS: expensive, hard to find, doesn't last very long, you still need to test every few days at least.

4) Good old fishless cycle - uses ammonia to replicate fish waste and develop your biological filter in a sure-fire and non-harmful way. PROS: does NOT harm fish, allows you to add 50%-80% of your stock as soon as the cycle is complete (as long as you have the appropriate filter for the tank and don't overstock according to the rough inch-per-gallon rule), gives you time to carefully consider stocking levels and helps your understanding of the biological cycle. CONS: requires you to add ammonia and test every day, takes about a month (which is how long the bacteria take to grow from scratch, whichever method you use).

5) "bacteria in a bottle" products. PROS: If they work, they'll give your cycle a tiny nudge CONS: These tend to be advertised as allowing you to add your stock right away and don't give you sensible instructions on how to do that safely, and they don't tend to work. Wasted money, IMO.

Reasons why your previous method isn't so great:

1) It harms the goldfish.
2) 5-7 days isn't even enough time for the first set of vital nitrifying bacteria to establish, let alone the second set.
3) If you don't have enough bacteria, your intended stock will be affected by "New Tank Syndrome" whether they show symptoms or not.
4) You say you never had any problems - did you test your water daily for ammonia and nitrites? It'd be a miracle if these were zero throught the entire process. The biological filter simply does not establish that fast.

Bigger tanks don't take more downtime. The cycle will take around a month in a 5 litre tank or a 5,000 litre tank.

Good luck!
 
Ah right cool, ultimately yeah the 120 sounds like a good home for them :) If you have a tank set up now just move the filter over and move the fish over straight away as long as the filter can handle the volume of water in the 55 or 120 which ever you move to the volume of filter media that has been supporting the fish will just move sideways and still handle the same amount. If you see what I mean?

I have to say I would disagree with the yellow labs with the yellow labs with the EBJDs and the GTs. Yellow labs are african which need much harder water than the other two, though aggression wise I reckon they are about the same. Have these been together for a year now then? Just an idea if you wanted to consider keeping it American in your tank you could swap the labs for some nics, get a trio of 1 male and 2 female. These are a similar yellow to the labs and you can see a female in my avatar with her blue face :) You would need the male though to stand upto the EBJD and the GT though.

How big are your fish at the moment?
 
My fish are all very small right now. The biggest being almost 2 inches. I can upload some pictures within the next day or so and I definitely know those fish probably SHOULDN'T be with one another. However, they're all doing well and haven't really showed any aggression towards one another. So as of right now its plenty of room for all of the fish but they've grown steadily the couple months they've been in there so i'd rather just get moving and get another tank ready for them so they don't outgrow the tank. I'd much rather be early rather than later in moving them into a new home.
 
Yeah yeah that sounds cool, the main issues with fish like these is not when they are first in the tank its as they grow and get to sexual maturity and start staking out territories. The GT could have the biggest attitude shift as you see a lot going mental about 6 months to a year into the tank, sometimes earlier. I wouldnt be that worried to be fair as you have lots of options should things get rough, if your GT is really territorial the others can go to the 120 and they could have the 55 as a wet pet or when it comes to moving to the bigger tank you could consider doing the africans in the 55 and the americans in the 120? But like I say your choice :)

But yeah if you have filters set up I would just move everything over to the new tank as the bio load wont increase when you do the move its just the same with a bigger volume of water so as long as the filter you have can cope just plug it into the new tank. If you need a bigger filter with a better turnover just move the sponges etc into the new filter and it will be exactly the same :)
 
Thank you for all your suggestions. I like hearing all your opinions and suggestions. You're actually into the fish and not just some robot answering the question lol.

As far as the green terrors go I have heard that they do become very territorial...I have two lapads, 1 pleco, 4 electric blues and 1 green terror with probably one more on the way.

Filter wise I have two penguin 350 filters on the tank right now...however with the new aquarium I planned on going with a canister filter which I hear is the way to go now. Would you agree with that???
 
Yeah canister/external filters are tons better IMO. If you get something like a Fluval FX5 its really easy to move media straight over and it will be fantastic on your current tank as well as being suitable in your upgrade. There is an Ehiem canister filter that is really good as well but not sure on the names of them:) With the terror I would consider sticking with just one as if you get a male and a female you could get into major issues pretty quick, if they start breeding they will kill other fish. Have you thought about getting some non cichlid fish to act as target fish? This will help with keeping the peace between the other fish, big tough fish like silver dollars would do really well in there I think :) Or maybe some red rainbows but not sure how they would cope with the africans.
 
Agree, with the fish you are keeping and the tank sizes you are talking about you will really eventually have better results with external cannisters like the larger eheim ranges or the FX5 mentioned because the filter media volume will be larger and more flexible.

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Hey man I just have one Common Plecostomus. It is about 6-8 inches. Nothing special. The rest of the fish are all 1-1.5 inches.
 

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