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I use this website now to research fish species and try to gather any information about the fish I currently have, or fish I am interested in and might be looking to purchase. I only started using it because it was so widely recommended on here but now I’ve been told that a lot of these profiles are out of date which is a worry.
Can anyone suggest a more reliable source?
 
Who told you they were out of date, and how did they support that position?

Basic fish info doesn't change. The names can, with further research. Our understanding of the evolutionary relationships can change, but that's not key to the site.

You can open a Baensch Atlas from the 80s, and as long as you can get around the changes in names (Baensch is a pre-DNA access source), the fishkeeping knowledge is dead on.

Reading Seriously fish, they seem very scientifically grounded. They seem to take habitat info into account, and not just go off hobby info. They do appear to have only a few people working on the project, and a lot of the fish I look for info on aren't there. When that happens, there are advanced hobbyist sites dealing with specific groups (Cichlids, Killies, Catfish, etc). If the scientific classifications have changed, there's fishbase.

When I wrote fishbooks back in the mists of time, I got paid for it. Online fishbooks like Seriously Fish are most likely labours of love. So I can see why the site moves slowly, as the writers probably have day jobs, families and such, and aren't making much if any money from their work.

So what is out of date there? I'm curious, as I haven't encountered anything major and I go there a lot.
 
It was me that said it, after reading comments by Byron. He was involved with SF, writing many of the profiles on there.

Numbers for shoaling fish -
If something on SF appears to be inaccurate, please let me know. The shoaling fish number issue is one that will take a lot of time and work, but individual errors can be corrected when identified.

In a thread about tank size for rummy nose tetras he said
A 20g for rummynose is inhumane because it ignores the needs of the fish, and this causes stress and that long-term means other likely diseases and always a shorter lifespan because of the stress. Thinking has changed with the advent of more scientific study. Some sites like Seriously Fish need revision on this aspect of numbers, though I know the rummynose profiles have been revised because I did them.



Byron many times referred readers to Corydorasworld for accurate information on all cory species. As a specialist site this may be more accurate than a general fish site such as Seriously Fish.
 
The quality of any fish information site is a function of those repsonsible for the information. Usually, but not always. Species type sites will have the best information.

Corydorasworld is the site of Ian Fuller likely the worlds greatest expert on these fish. You cannot go wrong getting information there. When I got into ALtum angels the go to site was Finnarama. Unfortunately it is not really there any more, The forum there was where I learned how to keep these fish and where to find reliable sources for them.

Similarly if you are into Catfish, them you need to be looking on Plannetcatfish.com. What I truly love about this site is the number of memebers posting there who are actually scientists with graduate degrees. The have sub-forum for the latest research:

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This site used to have an active Science Section where actualy science was discussed. But then one needs to be getting their information from scinetific sources and not sites put up that sound and look good but do not actually use science.
 
We have to be careful though. Byron was a man of strong opinions. I sometimes disagreed with him, and the study he often quoted about numbers of shoalers, for example. It was one study, and putting a number like 10 on shoalers was kind of arbitrary.The goal is to have as many as you can, and whether you have 8, 10 or 30 can be debated. A reason why Seriously Fish may have been slow to change could have been there : disagreement. Quite possibly other well informed members saw things differently.

That takes nothing away from my respect for the man. We always had respectful discussions of these things, and his arguments always were something to think about. In our debates, he may have been right and I may have been wrong. There weren't enough studies to prove things either way.

I could argue that 95% of tanks are overstocked and provide observations supporting that. I keep a pair of 3cm killies in a 10 gallon tank. Breeders with equal success use 2 gallon tanks. Both work. The keepers who crowd aren't outdated. If I update them, they'll update me, and we'll go on and on.

If we start using culturally loaded words like inhumane - animal rights activists say the entire hobby is inhumane and should be banned. One very active member here (since banned) told me I was inhumane because I helped find new species. Apparently, since new to science species aren't fish farmed, I was downright criminal.

If a specialty site exists, go for it. If it's a good one, it will be constantly updated and will reflect the latest research. But you may have the same people writing for Seriously Fish. I never met Byron, but I didn't have to reach far to know aquarists who had worked with him. The world of the ones who really get into fish is a small one.

To me, no info stands unless you can get it from 3 sources you respect. Then it stands til we know better. Seriously Fish is a great starting point. It balances out some of the foolishness of the youtube gurus, and you have to start somewhere.
 
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Thank you for your input @GaryE, this has reassured me somewhat but I do understand I should probably check several different sources to make sure the information I’m getting is consistent 👍🏻
 
Be careful with which sources you look at, many of them give poor, if downright inaccurate, info. Anyone can set up a website or post YouTube videos with little actual knowledge.
SF is the best general fish site out there; even if it isn't perfect it's better than others. And as others have said, specialist sites are the better choice. There are good sites for cories (Corydorasworld), all catfish (PlanetCatfish) and loaches (loaches on-line). Other members will be able to tells you about specialist sites for other types of fish.
 
I have been going to Seriously fish for many years now. WHen I would exchange emails with Byron we talked about the site and how he as helping update fish profiles. Having already learned to respect Byron's opinions, I knew that SF was probab;ly a good place to go for info on species with which I had little of no familiarity.

I got my 1st PC in 1987. There was not internet for the public back then. There was online for which one used a phone modem and then dialed directly into he computer system of a bank or gaming site etc. To leave a site and go someplace else you basically hung up the phone and dialed up the next site which you wished to visit. I did my taxes using Turbotax when it was a DOS based program before it was bought by Intuit in 1993.

I did not go onto the internet until the end of 1998. I was doing my parents banking and financial stuff because they no longer could. I dialed into Citibank using my modem to bank. And then I got the notice that Citi was moving their online banking to the net. So I got a new PC with WIndows 98 to replace my old Window 3.1 system. So I have been inline for a lot of years,

It is important to explain that I did not set up my first tank until the end of Jan. 2001. But, leading up to that point and since, I have used the net to find information I needed to know about hobby related things. Back then there was not the huge universe of sites and "YouTube was only launched on February 14, 2005." So, information was much different back then.

What there was were a lot of Fish Forums and Chat rooms. But, most of them were not very good. I started on Aquaria Central but very quickly move to a site where there were some real experts. I was very lucky that they put up with my ignorance and were willing to teach me. But, nothing lasts forever and I soon found myself on other sites, including here. But strange thing happend to me along the way in my early years.

I had cycled my first tanks with fish (UGH!). When my livebearers gifted me with tons of fry, I needed a grow tank. I had learned about ammonia and cycling and one day a light went off in my head. I wondered if I could use ammonia instead of fish to cycle. So I went looking for info on. I found some papers (not scientific ones) but close. Back then the idea was to dose so many drops of store bought ammonia per 10 gals of water. One did this daily. So my second tank was done this was. By then I had started having live pkants so I cyled with them in place. Down the road I learned about ammonia NH3 abd Ammonium NH4 and that I could cycle using the latter.

Because I am somewhat of a skeptic I did not trust the forums which all said the same things. I had been a psych major in college where I took a course on Experimental Psychology. This led me to wonder if there was any science behind all the things I was learning and reading about on forums. Then I discovered Google Scholar which led me to the work of Dr. Timothy Hovanec among others.

I am not on social media which is the very last place I would ever go for accurate information. I use Youtube mostly to watch/listen to live concerts from the past. The only fish related YouTube site I visited reglarly was the one that belonged to Rachel O'Leary aka msjinzd. This was because I had met her at one of my early fish weekend events and we became friends. I knew her well enough to know her Youtube channel had reliable information.

During my first few years of keeping fish and being online I realized that finding the best sites for information was critical to my knowing I was getting good information. I also was ramping my way up to 20+ tanks, so I was buying a lot of equipment. There was a time when, for many specific tank hardware supplies, I could tell you who sold them and even more importantly, who had the lowest price on them at that time. Those days are gone.

What I also did do was to compile bookmarks for 100s of scientific papers as well as for those sites where I knew I could trust the information. Over the years some of these have changed, but,at the time I found them, the info was usually A+. O also managed to meet online or at weekend events some of the major names in the hobby. I did not hesitate to ask them a lot of Qs whan I had the chance.

The reason. I like to read the research papers is because they involved scientist who have spent years learning and practicing. This does not guarantee what they conclude is always 100% accurate or even when it is, that what is leaned down the road won't cause what was "known" to change. But, all we have is the information available today.

So I will continue to trust the science over most sites and Youtube channels. I will trust the information that comes from PlanetCatfish, Corydorasworld etc. over any general fish site,

And on sites like here I know the names I can trust for the most part. All of us get it wrong sometimes especially if it is on things less close to what interests us the most. I kept a few discus for a couple of years almost 15 years ago, I am not even close to well informed about these fish. I am not a catfish expert or even a pleco expert. But, I do know a ton about the B&W p;lecos from the Big Bend of the Rio Xingu. I laso have accumulated a fair amount of knowledge about cycling and the nitrifying organisms in our FW tanks.

I am thankful most for bookmarks than almost anything else created by the digital age. Here is a quick experiment you can try.

Most informed fish keepers know that Ian Fuller and his Corydorasworld.com site are one of the best sources for information about corydoaras available to us. So, head on over to Google Search and enter "Information about corydoras" and see what you get back. For me Ian's Site appeared on the lower portion of page 4. But it did not include his name.

When I searched for "corydoras experts", Ian's site is the first link I saw. So I guess Google thinks his site's information is not the best for corys but that he is the best expert on them? Maybe it is the AI? Maybe it is what potentially makes Google the most money?

I ran the same experiement on Duck DUck Go which I use and they were worse than Google in terms of seeing anything Ina related.

What I do know is we have to work hard to find the best information. It is almost never in the first thing Google or alternatives might show us.
 
I use this website now to research fish species and try to gather any information about the fish I currently have, or fish I am interested in and might be looking to purchase. I only started using it because it was so widely recommended on here but now I’ve been told that a lot of these profiles are out of date which is a worry.
Can anyone suggest a more reliable source?
I don't know if it's as reliable as seriouslyfish but I use https://aquadiction.world/ mainly for its Myanmar section.
 
Who told you they were out of date, and how did they support that position?

Basic fish info doesn't change. The names can, with further research. Our understanding of the evolutionary relationships can change, but that's not key to the site.
I've found quite a few errors in seriouslyfish profiles esp around prefer temp and behavior. I'm not sure if this is due to typo, different catch locations for some species or just simply wrong data.

Having said that it is a decent site.

For me i usually cross check 2 or 3 places - hope they aren't copying data from each other and if they disagree do more research on the species of interest.

Some sites that sometime have good data include fishbase, seriouslyfish, planetcatfish (more useful for catfishes but again i've found some rather disturbing errors), ... A lot of fishes tend to have a broad range and cooler tend to be better as long as the fish remains active but some fishes do require much more specific temperature esp when breeding.
 
I butted heads with Byron quite often, especially when I was new here, but not new to fish… I do think he was a wealth of information, and I learned a lot from him, even though we often butted heads…

I’ll admit, I’m no expert, but I do have more years experience, than a lot of fish keepers are old…

My biggest red flag on information, is when someone tells me how the fish feel… that and a lot of minimum fish to keep, posted on line, disagree with my experience… and those numbers change from fry adulthood, on most fish, and that is rarely mentioned…

I like Seriously Fish, but because I like unusual fish, quite often what I’m looking for, isn’t listed… and yes there is some mis information on the site, but it’s likely one of the more reliable sites out there…
 
Yea the change in the behvior from juvi to adult - esp for cichild is a huge missing piece of information on just about all forums.
 

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