Seahorses For Beginner?

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Hi, I am really intersted in seahorse, and would like to know what would be a good choice for a beginner

also I would prefer CB and although I haven't even done saltwater yet, I am willing to do lots of research. Which I have also done a lot of.

I've heard that Erectus are a good choice but was also looking at some dwarfs.
 
i too am looking at seahorses at the moment so will be watching this thread closely lol
 
heya guys :)

what experience have you had with salt water tanks in the past?

sorry to put a downer on it but sea horses are pretty hard to keep and if youve had no previous experience with salt these will be a massive challenge they are very sensitive and require a special environment, feeding and very stable water conditions

also they are quite expensive this is reflected in the fact that they arnt many of them for sale in captivity and to avoid the happless fish noobie waltzing in buying a few and killing them all off.

If you are both beginners id suggest go for marine fish first and see how you fair, you will find this a challenge i promise you, if you still keen further down the line then maybe try them later.

As a guide ive been keeping marines for three years and im still reluctant to keep these delicate creatures as i hate to see anything i keep die due to my own lack of knowledge and experience

HTH
Andy
 
Yeh, I heard that but I know people have done these as first tanks and done quite well. :huh:

But obviously it doesn't seem like my thing

can you give me a rough care guide so I can see if these guys are really not worth looking into

thanks
 
the best site i know for all the seahorse info you could require is
Seahorse.Org

they have lots of info and its your best bet if your seriously looking into it :)
 
Seahorses, to tell you the truth, are not that hard if you have had prior experience. Read up on the subject before you get them..if you don't...I guaranteee you'll have problems. I researched about 1-2 years before I bought my first seahorse, and IMHO..it helped out so much. Whenever anything would go wrong, or the like, i'd know what to do. No hurrying and trying to get to the lfs or computer to check out what I need or what's going on.

Like said, please have SOME experience with general saltwater upkeep. While I said seahorses aren't that "difficult" like everyone says, they will not tolerate beginner's mistakes. A beginner to saltwater not only has to worry about learning all the nooks and crannies of the saltwater hobby, but piling seahorse care on top will probably end in disaster. Seahorses, unlike other fish, have susceptibilities to diseases you may have never heard about, they can get out of control in only a few days..diet is much different, 3 feedings are a must per day, and many more. When you research them...it's like learning about a whole other kind of tank and maintenance all over again.

Demon, there ARE many people who have had seahorses for their first saltwater fish, or even first fish to begin with. Was this usually the smartest thing to do? Probably not. Out of the few success stories out there, do you know how many more unsuccessful stories there are? There are literally thousands but you won't be seeing those anytime soon..people are more likely to post successful tries rather than a failed attempt... Sorry to say, but these aren't just something you do on the spot. While research helps out and it's one of the most important things to care for them, experience is even higher on the charts. While you may KNOW how to care for them..it means almost nothing if your just doing it for the first time. Starting out with regular saltwater fish gives you the trial and error process needed for seahorses...sorry if I sound rude about this.

Seahorse.org...is THE best place to start out. There are other forums dedicated to seahorses on the net..but are essentially worthless compared to the vast knowledge, caring, and dedication of the members there. Not only will they help you out with any problem but along the way..even make you feel welcome and along with it...there are already over 20 articles on the care, breeding, and identifying of the different species. Even a general tankmate chart.

As for the best beginner SH, stay away from dwarves, not the easiest like most say. Trying to kep the larger species of horses are much easier than getting into the nano realm of the dwarves. Also, if your just starting saltwater. Getting into it with a 2 gallon nano with seahorses which require feding of newborn baby brine shrimp three times a day is going to be very difficult. Erectus, reidi, kuda, etc. are all beginner friendly species. I started with a reidi, and have had only two problems since buying it..it having babies out of the blueonce...and having to do a pouch evacuation on it after my temps dropped by more than ten degrees.

Hopefully I didn't scare you off from seahorses, but please take my words to heart. Get some experience, learn along the way, do research on them, then you should be ready to get some. If you got some right away, there is a possiblity things could go wrong, and it would be shame to see that happen to someone new to them. Most after having that experience, never keep them again or advise others to stay away from them. I hope my info helps you with keeping them in the future, and if you have anymore questions feel free to ask! Good luck :p
 
don't worry I'm not stupid :p

I'll try my hand at a reef (or more specifially a nano) but can you just help me out on one thing

with erectus, what would be a good tank size? Do they have to be in pairs or groups?

thanks (don't worry I'm just interested so no seahorses for now)
 
I was looking in to setting up a SH tank but tbh I wouldnt be able to dedicate the time to them as they do require more comitement (IMO) than most other marine fish - 1 day maybe, until then I will stick to what I know, if you have the time & dedication then I wish you well :good:
 
I've had seahorses for quite a while, and I think there are many myths surrounding them. I think they are a very hardy fish, easily comparable to a anemone fish or tang, and much mare hardy than a Moorish idol or powder blue. I think H erectus would be a good choice for a first SW fish, but H reidi or H kuda are also pretty hardy. If you can find some at your local fish store, the cost is relatively cheap. If you have to order them online, they can be quite pricey.

I think the coolest starter tank for seahorses are the 35 gallon (or more) hex tanks. Tall, plenty of flirting room. The courting and flirting that these fish do is really intriguing to watch. But, look for the largest tank you can afford. Bigger is always better when it comes to SW water quality.

Are you in the states? It is next to impossible to find wildcaught here, because of the ÇITIES regs. This is a good thing, because WC are hard to train to eat frozen food, which I think is where the thought started in marine circles that seahorses are hard to care for. My first seahorses were WC and it is a PIA to feed them.

If you see some local, be sure to ask the keeper to feed them. Do not buy them until you see them eat. A finicky fish is nowhere near as much fun as an active, hunting fish.

Good luck!
 
SW, I have to agree, they aren't an imposible thing people try to make them out as. But, I do not agree with them being the first saltwater fish someone starts out with.

Demon, getting straight into a reef tank is also not the greatest move. If you must, start with soft corals after your tank has been set up for a while. If you get into stony corals,etc., remember you can't use that tank for seahorses if you change your mind later on. If you do plan on getting them, and placing them in the same tank later on; absolutely make sure you leave out stinging corals and any with sweeper tentacles.

For the erectus part, I would suggest 29 gallons minimum. Others have kept them in smaller, but that tank size seems to suite them very well. They do not need to be in pairs, groups, etc. They can be all males, all females, left alone, etc. Only place a pair in your tank if your ready to breed and raise seahorses..and from personal experience, it is not easy. If your newer, you'll have a lot of problems, and if you don't have the time...then your out of luck. Despite the rumors out on the net, most seahorses do not pair for life, or need to be in pairs. Studies have been done with females and males, and the results have shown that eventually, if given the chance, the female will leave the male for another. Males were the only ones that showed any real attachment in the long run..in the end they'll switch to another female though.

Please, do not buy wild caught anymore. Feeding is the least of your problems. Many diseases, parasites, etc. will come in on most individuals. If no signs of disease show up right away, they will likely later on. While it may not happen with yours, there are too amny cases to name where it has. Your worst troubles would be that vibrio would be inttroduced into your system (type of nasty bacteria you do not want) and lie in wait. What's even worse, since copepods, amphipods, and the like eat bacteria..they can carry it in their systems for months before it dies off. SO, even if you clean your tank, it could come back unles syou sterilize everythig and start over. Along with all the possibilities of disease and parasitc infection, your taking another from the wild. Day after day thousands are collected and killed for multiple purposes, do you really need to take more out of the wild so you save aboout 30+ per fish? make every attempt to buy captive bred...

I don't mean to sound rude, but I feel strongly about this, and I don't like seeing people keep wild caught. But, I do hope everything goes okay with yours :).

HTH
 
WC are not available since CITIES regs changed in May 2005. I really believe they are only available to research facilities?

I am not sure about how it works in Europe, though.

I would be very surprised if you can find a WC seahorse in the states. Would you please let me know (Via PM or email) if you find any WC if the states?
 
While I don't think anyone should keep a wild caught seahorse, for any reason ohter than research..there are plenty of them being sold on websites. Usually the really cheap ones are wc... It's as simple as that.
 
I don't mean to sound rude, but I feel strongly about this, and I don't like seeing people keep wild caught. But, I do hope everything goes okay with yours :).

HTH


don't worry, I am going to start out with a carefully planned tank, with softies, and if I want, maybe other corals as well. One of the reasons I asked about erectus is that I know it is captive bred. I wouldn't buy wild caught unless I could look after it.
 
While I don't think anyone should keep a wild caught seahorse, for any reason ohter than research..there are plenty of them being sold on websites. Usually the really cheap ones are wc... It's as simple as that.

Actually, since the CITIES regs change, the cost of CB seahorses has decreased dramatically. Before the change, we had very few breeders (Ocean Rider) that offered CB. Now, many commercial breeders are making them widely available. Supply has increased so much that cost has fallen dramatically. I saw a group yesterday at a LFS for $25 each, $19 if you bought 3 or more.

We can tell WC vs CB by the size. A breeder can not afford to grow them to full size so they sell them small. The group I saw yesterday were only about 2 inches, snout to tail tip.

Can you direct me to the sites that are selling WC? I am breeding a specific species and I have very inbred characteristics and issues.
 

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