salamander like thingy

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I went to a pet store and they have a bunch of cool fish there. I wanted to get a rope fish eventually, but they get too big for my tank (46 gallon bowed) and the fish I will be keeping in it (currently guppy and gourami). I did see this interesting thing though. It looked like a mini-ropefish with arms and legs. I believe he told me it was some type of salamander and he siad it could be kept completley under water (no lowering of water level). He said it would be compatible with my other fish. Any input on what it is, where I might be able to learn about it, how big it gets? It looked pretty weird, but it was something I would like to get eventually if it goes with my other fish. :alien:
 
I would suggest going back to the lfs and writing down the name of it so you can do a search, and post it here so others know what you were asking about. Although one of the others here might know from your description, I don't and I'm curious now what you are talking about lol.

Gabe
 
was there a sci/latin name im no expert but i thaught that salamanders liked to get near the surface occationally.
 
Do a search for my name and the keyword newt and see if it is the same thing as you saw in the lfs
 
Is this it?


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It actually sounds a lot like one of the ropefish's close cousins. The Polyepterus, or bichir. Be careful though, these fish do get between 15 and 30 inches, depending on the species. They really need a long, broad tank with subdued lighting, plenty of hardy plants, nice hinding places and kind, large roomates, if any. These fish will eat anything that it can fit in its mouth, and as an adult that includes some of the African cichlids and even larger fish. Most LFS sell the Polyepterus senegalus, a plain tan body, and when they sell them, they may just be 3 inches, but they are about the smallest growing species of Polyepterus at about 12-15 inches! They have several common names. Some of the most common is some form of bichir or Senegalus bichir. They are also commonly mis-labled as a "Poly Palma," even though the true Polyepterus palmas palmas is not nearly as common. There are about 15 different specific species of the Polyepterus, they originate from african rivers and marshes. They have adapted the abillity to breath atmospheric air (that's what the little "horns" or really big nostrils on the tip of their nose are for) , but remain fully aquatic. They do need, however, about 2 inches of space between the water level and the lid for when they dicide to breathe air instead of extract oxygen from the water. They are carnivorous and oportunistic picsovors (sp?) or fish eaters. They will do extremely well on sinking carnivor tablets or shrimp pellets. They also will eat ANY fish it can catch and fit down its throat. They don't have good eye-sight, but make up for it with a supurb sense of smell. This makes for quite a show when you feed them tablets. They look like they are using sonar getting closer and closer with sweeping strikes and probes at the smell. For this reason, some say a good substrate would be white sylica sand, simply for the white contrast to the typically red or brown food they eat. This really is just up to you. For any more information, just post here or PM me.

If they look almost exactly like the rope fish in body shape and characteristics, but shorter and fatter, they are probably a polyepterus. Really look at the head and fins and nose. They also have a ridge of "spikes" running down their otherwise featurless and streamline body.
 
I am going to the store this weekend and I will check it out then. They are an hour away one way, but worth it. I may just call to satisfy some curiosity that has arisen. I will get the name and the scientific name as well. I do know right now that it is about 3-4 inches long. It has arms and legs. It does look like what Thomas A. Anderson posted for a picture, except that it is a brown/tan color. It does have a decently long tail that is as long as it's body is before its hind leg and the tail stays as wide as the body for the most part. It does not thin out really. Anyhow, I will post what it is when I find out.
 
The firebelly is similar to what I have, but mine is called a red bellied wide paddle tailed newt. They are also 100% aquatic, but they prefer slightly cooler water than in a tropical set-up.

The lfs may indeed have them in a tropical tank but this can shorten their lives (10yrs+)

I have never had mine eat any fish although he does occassionally try but he is far too slow and I think they find food my smell rather than rely purely on sight.

HTH

p.s. I think that Lesgerber other half has a fire belly. (newt I mean :lol: )
 
We did have a pair of Chinese Fire Belly Newts, one came up missing about a week and a half ago and to this date hasnt been seen. The other sadly has passed away. For some reason the tiger barbs we have seen him as dinner before we moved and they nipped him up pretty good, so we placed him in with our platy babies and low and behold they started in on him so we put him in tank of his own and the other night he died from the injuries. I know it is said that these newts can be kept in an aquarium but the ones we had never seemed to leave the top of the tank so keep that in mind


HTH


Les
 
Fire bellie newts are not aquatic!! in fact mine very rarely go into the water unless I place them in there, however they are often mislabeld, if the are real they will be small and not bigger than your pinky, don't buy aqny if you do not have an area for them to climb out of the water onto
 
I used to catch some orange newts when i was younger in a little stream in NH all the time. We would go up there with buckets and come back with literally hundreds of little orange-bellied newts.

I set up a 29Gallon aquarium that was 3/4 full and used some aquarium sealant to fix a glass plane horizontally inside the tank at the water level then glues a lip to the edge of the glass and filled the top with gravel and a few fake plants and some moss. The "shore" extended about 1/3 of the tank and the bottom was sand with some of the native plants from the stream i took them from.

I had maybe 50 or so newts in there. I had them for a long time. I caught most young and they grewy to be pretty big. Only maybe 10 died but after a year or so of keeping them. When i had a really big or nicely colored one i would put them in my community aquarium for a while.

I was amazed when i saw some for sale at a LFS since these were the little things i used to go spend hours trying to catch in streams during the summers.

After about 2 years, i released about 40-45 newts into a small stream by my house. I wonder how they are doing?
 

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