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i wish i had the strength not to go by the fish dept. in my local walmart. i have such a hard time not taking something home. (ive adopted 4 adfs, 3 bettas, enough fish for a 20 gallon and a 55 gallon, 2 fire belly toads, and now a hamster) anyway what i saw today was the WORST. they had a tank full of female bettas with a bunch of dwarf puffers. needless to say the puffers had eaten the tails right off those poor girls bodys :no: some girls had no tails and their bodys were being nipped. the girl there didnt even care, not that im surprised. next time ill have to restrain myself from looking, as it really consumes me.
 
And that is why I hate WalMart.
The DPs at mine are in with tetras and such, but they're so tiny they can't even get their mouths around a fin.
And this WalMart doesn't even know what a female betta is.. :S
 
No putting the rabbits in with the ferrets, the birds in with the kittens they will probably sell next and the hamsters in with the fish.....
 
Here's my WalMart story:

I DESPISE WALMART

As you can see from the topic, the fish aisle in WalMart consumes me when I go there also. The problem with me is that the only time I GO into WM is when I'm in an emergency situation and need to pick up something either for my fish or guinea pigs as a last resort. And if I go there and don't inspect the fishys, I feel guilty. If I DO look at them, i generally find one that needs attention, pronto, and I also either find NO one around to take care of them, or I find some punk a$$ teenager flirting with another punk teen of the opposite sex - they just socialize there, they don't give two craps about the fish.

The little guy I didn't take home with me on Sunday is going to haunt me for a long time. He's been on my mind since the first second I saw him, and I'm sure it will be a long time before I forget him.

3 of my 4 betta boys are WalMart rescues.
 
Stories like this upset me, and seeing it makes me even sicker. I work at a local Walmart in the fish department and me and my supervisor are both avid fish hobbiests and breeders. Our fish are lucky. We've even been rewarded and given recognition among the Walmart corporation for having one of the best fish departments they have ever seen. I'm quite proud. :D
But it makes me sick to see other Wamart stores hiring people to work in the fish department who know nothing about the fish. :-( I've rescused some bettas from other Walmarts before as well and I cannot even comprehend how or why those employees let the fish get that way. It's disgusting.
 
I HIGHLY commend you for that. I have become a major thorn in the side of several places who sell fish - just trying to get them to treat their fishes better.

Here's something I posted in another topic on this forum about one visit to WM, the one that sparked my obsession with fishy policing:

Just got back from WalMart, I had to get some silk plants for my boys.

Here is a brief summary of the trip:
- 1 tank of beautiful (probably 12 or so in the tank) silver tetras COVERED in ich, every single one of them
- 1 tank where one pleco was dead & upside down - another one had latched onto him and had eaten a good bit of him
- 1 tank where a fish (so decayed & eaten that i couldn't identify) was laying upside down and was being feasted on
- 1 tank w/a ghostly white dead pleco bobbing around the bottom as other fish swam by
- 1 tank where a beautiful fish (not sure what it was) but it was the shape of a cichlid, but a little taller, and kind of a seafoam green/black/orange spotty color with feelers hanging down was laying on his side dead
- 1 tank where a poor little goldfish was struggling to get off the bottom of the tank
- 1 betta cup with a betta in it that had some sort of parasite so bad it looked like his gills were 2 large scabs
- 2 betta cups (each containing a female betta) with pretty little gals in them, but both of them were floating in there nose down, tail up
(it took EVERYTHING in me not to buy a few tanks and take all the bettas home and nurse them back to health) sad.gif

I went up to the first WM employee I could find and he rolled his eyes when I asked him if I could show him something in one of the fish tanks. I took him over and pointed out the ich tank, and his response was (and I'm quoting) "Well I dont' know what to do about it..." I turned around and gave him the "you've GOT to be kidding me look... He said "Everyone here that works with the fish left at 5, I have no idea if they've been treating them or what"... then I said "you might want to take a look in the rest of the tanks then - you DO know what to do with dead fish, don't you?" and I turned around and walked away.

I hurried to my car and then I whipped out my cell phone and called the store and spoke to a manager, and told her the entire story. She told me that she had held a meeting with the fish person just today, and that person had left at 2 or 3. She said they clean their tanks daily, to which I said "Um, I highly doubt it because of the amount of dead decaying fish in your tanks says otherwise, and did you happen to notice the ich on the tetras? How about the bettas? There are at least 3 that are dying, probably more. What's your routine with them?" She said they change their water out every other day, which i was surprised at given the amount of filth that was in their jars. I told her that they should be done every day, and she might want to check the one guy I purposely set aside from the others to see if they could do anything with his "scabby" gills.

She said she'd personally go over there and have a look.

Yesterday I stumbled across a post from someone in this forum that said they were excited to be actually going to work at WalMart in the fish department, and this person sounded like they'd do a good job of making sure the fish were taken care of right, and sold correctly. Too bad not all WalMarts require that responsible people are required to work in the fish dept. sad.gif

The one I was at is in Madison, WI.

Again, I highly commend you and your supervisor for taking good care of your WM fishes. I wish every WM made it at LEAST a qualification to know something... SOMETHING about fish. Keep up the good work.
 
Something I don't know why hasn't occurred to me before -

In the UK we have the RSPCA that (unless i'm wildly wrong) can bring prosecutions against negligent animal owners / keepers. Although i'll admit that the current animal welfare laws don't help them an awful lot, and bringing prosecutions is always expensive. Also whilst I can find a far amount against prosecutions against individuals, I don't seem to be able to find much against businesses.

I'm guessing we wouldn't be seeing all these posts about walmart if there was a similar setup in the US (but I find it hard to believe there isnt, PETA is one isnt it? (People for the eating of tasty animals.... j/k :rolleyes: ) )

The following would be an example.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/1...or_cruelty.html

I know that fish in a bad way are less obvious to the average consumer than say a dog clearly sitting sick in its own filth - but i'm surprised that every day theres a new Fish welfare + Walmart thread on here

:/
 
Ice, where do you live?

I contacted the SPCA in Ontario, Canada at one point and they do include fish in their investigations. I sicked them on some sick bastard who was advertising that he wanted to hold betta fights. They informed me that intentional cruelty to animals goes right along with some pretty severe penalties and jailtime, in some cases.

Anyway, I sent them all the info they needed and they are currently still investigating it. I haven't gone to the SPCA here in the US yet because I'm still researching whether or not they govern the treatment of fish.

SO... I'm doing my homework before I start going to some of these stores. My next step is to start taking a camera into some of these stores and just shooting pics of these sick and dying animals, then documenting them well. I'm certainly going to do my best to nail some of these big corporate bastards to the wall.

Oh, and I'm also going to start taking records of names of people who refused to do something about my complaints about the horrible conditions.

I had another thought the other night, also... my former boss' wife is a tv news anchor - here in our city of just over 200,000 folks. Can you imagine what an impact it would have if one of the nightly news stories covered the mistreatment of animals in stores such as PetSmart, PetCo and WalMart in particular. That WILL be something I at least discuss with her. :hey:
 
Interesting.
You'll have to let me know what you find out about the SPCA there.

I'm definitely going to share my findings about the organization here!
Happy sleeting! :D
 
Last I checked, fish, rodents, and birds are not covered in the USA as "animal" under most cruelty laws. Though it does vary from state to state. This is why rodents used in animal testing do not have the same care requirements as non-rodents, why poultry animals can be slaughtered without stunning unlike mammals, and fish.. well. You can jam a hook through their face and drag them through the air supporting their full, flailing body weight, gut them alive, and cook them. So clearly they aren't protected by anything.
 
I'm knee deep in research on that.
The only place that I have actually contacted a live human and gotten a firm answer from in in Ontario, Canada. They DO consider any living breathing thing to be an "animal" and will prosecute to the full extent of the law.

yeehaw.
 
BettaMomma said:
I HIGHLY commend you for that. I have become a major thorn in the side of several places who sell fish - just trying to get them to treat their fishes better.

Here's something I posted in another topic on this forum about one visit to WM, the one that sparked my obsession with fishy policing:

Just got back from WalMart, I had to get some silk plants for my boys.

Here is a brief summary of the trip:
- 1 tank of beautiful (probably 12 or so in the tank) silver tetras COVERED in ich, every single one of them
- 1 tank where one pleco was dead & upside down - another one had latched onto him and had eaten a good bit of him
- 1 tank where a fish (so decayed & eaten that i couldn't identify) was laying upside down and was being feasted on
- 1 tank w/a ghostly white dead pleco bobbing around the bottom as other fish swam by
- 1 tank where a beautiful fish (not sure what it was) but it was the shape of a cichlid, but a little taller, and kind of a seafoam green/black/orange spotty color with feelers hanging down was laying on his side dead
- 1 tank where a poor little goldfish was struggling to get off the bottom of the tank
- 1 betta cup with a betta in it that had some sort of parasite so bad it looked like his gills were 2 large scabs
- 2 betta cups (each containing a female betta) with pretty little gals in them, but both of them were floating in there nose down, tail up
(it took EVERYTHING in me not to buy a few tanks and take all the bettas home and nurse them back to health) sad.gif

I went up to the first WM employee I could find and he rolled his eyes when I asked him if I could show him something in one of the fish tanks. I took him over and pointed out the ich tank, and his response was (and I'm quoting) "Well I dont' know what to do about it..." I turned around and gave him the "you've GOT to be kidding me look... He said "Everyone here that works with the fish left at 5, I have no idea if they've been treating them or what"... then I said "you might want to take a look in the rest of the tanks then - you DO know what to do with dead fish, don't you?" and I turned around and walked away.

I hurried to my car and then I whipped out my cell phone and called the store and spoke to a manager, and told her the entire story. She told me that she had held a meeting with the fish person just today, and that person had left at 2 or 3. She said they clean their tanks daily, to which I said "Um, I highly doubt it because of the amount of dead decaying fish in your tanks says otherwise, and did you happen to notice the ich on the tetras? How about the bettas? There are at least 3 that are dying, probably more. What's your routine with them?" She said they change their water out every other day, which i was surprised at given the amount of filth that was in their jars. I told her that they should be done every day, and she might want to check the one guy I purposely set aside from the others to see if they could do anything with his "scabby" gills.

She said she'd personally go over there and have a look.

Yesterday I stumbled across a post from someone in this forum that said they were excited to be actually going to work at WalMart in the fish department, and this person sounded like they'd do a good job of making sure the fish were taken care of right, and sold correctly. Too bad not all WalMarts require that responsible people are required to work in the fish dept. sad.gif

The one I was at is in Madison, WI.
Again, I highly commend you and your supervisor for taking good care of your WM fishes. I wish every WM made it at LEAST a qualification to know something... SOMETHING about fish. Keep up the good work.
The one I was at is in Madison, WI.
Again, I highly commend you and your supervisor for taking good care of your WM fishes. I wish every WM made it at LEAST a qualification to know something... SOMETHING about fish. Keep up the good work.

Thank you! :) I work at the Antioch Walmart in IL, about 2 and a half, maybe three hours from Madison (I live in WI right over the border).
At our store we keep our bettas in the bigger bowl sized cups now. They get changed ATLEAST twice a week. Fed twice a day. Today I changed over 30 bettas bowls with each fish flaring and blowing bubble nests after I had finished and put them back on the shelf. I'm so obessed with the little buggers, it makes me wonder how I dont bring all of them home.
Any fish that appears to have ich is removed from the tank and quarentined where we treat them until the ich is gone. We've never had one ich outbreak. :D Any fish with any aliment at that is removed and treated and observed.
I will admit that the provider WalMart uses, A-Pet, seems to be dodgey sometimes and we've gotten shipments of fish with a slight case of ich before (grrrrr), and the fact that most WalMarts dont have any requirments of knowledge for the Fish Department leads to the destruction of the beautiful fish they get it, but I can safetly say at my store the knowledge flowing between me and my supervisor, and us teaching other employees has been the sole reason why our department does as well as it does.
To me, it's like having 25 fish aquariums of my own at work.
Also I give props to all of you who have taken the time to write WalMart about this issue. Now THAT is commendable.
 
RandomWiktor said:
Last I checked, fish, rodents, and birds are not covered in the USA as "animal" under most cruelty laws. Though it does vary from state to state. This is why rodents used in animal testing do not have the same care requirements as non-rodents, why poultry animals can be slaughtered without stunning unlike mammals, and fish.. well. You can jam a hook through their face and drag them through the air supporting their full, flailing body weight, gut them alive, and cook them. So clearly they aren't protected by anything.
Ah thats interesting. I'll have to have a check and see what the position is exactly here in the UK. Maybe we should have an 'animal cruelty law' summary sticky...
 

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