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Plants -help!

bgormley

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Hi Everyone, i hope you can help me out a bit...
Today we got our first tropical aquarium and at the moment all it has inside is water, gravel and a filter. The advice from the shopkeeper was to let the aquarium sit for a week before buying any fish to let everything 'settle'. OK, i've got a fluval3 filter which does stir the weater up a bit but i'm worried about how to get more oxygen into the water (if needs be). What do i have to look for in plants, and could i get by with fake ones.
It's all so confusing!!
Any advice would be appreciated, thank you
 
You say "first tropical aquarium", does that mean that you have had a coldwater tank before? Size of the tank, please? What type of lights are in the tank? Since you just started the tank, you might want to consider opting for sand, instead of gravel, since sand tends to work best with plants.

Yes, you can get away with fake plants, and you might seriously want to consider them if you feel you'll have problems maintaining plants.

Also, I would suggest reading up a bit on cycling before adding fish. And, you might also want to ask for suggestions in the beginners forum for help on how to stock your tank if you are confused about overstocking or compatible species or what have you.
 
Thanks for the quick reply Tempestuousfury. I haven't kept fish ever before. The tank is 30" x 12" w x 15" h . At the moment i don't have any lights in it at all. To be honest i'm very anxious at the thought of using real plants unless I have to! The gravel is very coarse. What sort of light would you recommend?
 
Hi, I will try to help! so the dementions are 30 deep, 12 wide and 15 tall, then x 0.0043 thats 23.22 gallons so..... well If your going to do a tropical tank you need a heater and a thermoneter, and what kind of fish are you whanting, for that size of tank you could do
Tetra's (schooling fish, need to be kept in groops of 6+ but try to do an odd # or they mite try to go off in pairs)(their are SOO many types its impossable to list them all but i can try a few that are nice)
Neon tetra- most poppular tetra i think, very pretty
lemon tetra
black skirt tetra
cardinal tetra (very close to neon tetra)
congo tetra
sepre tetra
ect ect ect
also
Gouramies, your best bet is to only do 1 gouramie as 2 males can get very aggressive, and you also may whant a dwarf gouramie, the 2 most poppular and very pretty are powder blue dwarf gouramie and flame dwarf gouramie
guppies (liveberrers, unless you whant 100+ babies, best to do just males, same will all liveberrers)
playties (liveberrers)
mollies (liveberrers, but i would stay away from mollies)
hatchet fish, also schooling fish
otto's, help clean tank
cories (stick to albino or emerald as they stay smaller)
rams, BUT i would stay away as they REALLY arnt begginer fish, what I Have heard, sometimes they can just "die" but dont take that advice from me as i have never kept them, also they are quite expensive
danios, schooling fish


Then their are the cichlids, such as african and such, they need rocky rock work and plants in their tank as they like to spawn on slate, they FAVOR slate, and also most are herbavors so... the most comon are
cockatoo dwarf cichlids, VERY expesive though
rams
electic yellow
kribs
electric blue
ect

Hope this helps, but also plant wise , if you whanty REALL plants, i would suggest ancharious (sp) they grow like weeds and i can only get them to grow in gravel
java fern, heard its easey but cant seem to keep them worth crap, LOL
java moss
banana plant
red ludwigia
cabomba
hornwort (watch out, they make HUGE messes)
anubias (cichlids seem to favor them)
pygmy chain swordplant
AND fake plants, LOL

Hope this helps KINDA!! :)
 
Or, for the number of gallons, you could multiply the dimensions and divide by 231. :p Might be easier to remember. ;)

You seem to not really want to get real plants yet, so I would say you should not, for the time being. Plants don't really do much for your tank... well, excluding making them look better, of course. :p

Therefore, plastic plants would be ok, since with adequate water changes and surface agitation, you pretty much eliminate the need for real plants.

As for your lighting, I would go for a hood that holds two fluorescent bulbs, since this makes it easier to increase or decrease the wattage used in your tank. When/ if you do get real plants, though, you will have to pay attention to wattage and what part of the light spectrum the lights emit.

Though fishie_birds (I think there's an underscore in the name...) has made quite a list of potential fish for you to add, you might want to ask about stocking and other such questions in the beginners forum. :p

HTH ^_^
 
Thanks tempestuousfury But I agree, that the plastic plants would do better, although for the lighting you dont have to have so much lighting, cause I just have a simple fouresent hood lighting and take a look at all the plants in my tank (in sig) but for a begenner, plastic would be better cause reall is pretty hard to take caure of! again THANKS!
Or, for the number of gallons, you could multiply the dimensions and divide by 231. :p Might be easier to remember. ;)

You seem to not really want to get real plants yet, so I would say you should not, for the time being. Plants don't really do much for your tank... well, excluding making them look better, of course. :p

Therefore, plastic plants would be ok, since with adequate water changes and surface agitation, you pretty much eliminate the need for real plants.

As for your lighting, I would go for a hood that holds two fluorescent bulbs, since this makes it easier to increase or decrease the wattage used in your tank. When/ if you do get real plants, though, you will have to pay attention to wattage and what part of the light spectrum the lights emit.

Though fishie_birds (I think there's an underscore in the name...) has made quite a list of potential fish for you to add, you might want to ask about stocking and other such questions in the beginners forum. :p

HTH ^_^
:D

Thanks tempestuousfury :D But I agree, that the plastic plants would do better, although for the lighting you dont have to have so much lighting, cause I just have a simple fouresent hood lighting and take a look at all the plants in my tank (in sig) but for a begenner, plastic would be better cause reall is pretty hard to take caure of! again THANKS!
Or, for the number of gallons, you could multiply the dimensions and divide by 231. :p Might be easier to remember. ;)

You seem to not really want to get real plants yet, so I would say you should not, for the time being. Plants don't really do much for your tank... well, excluding making them look better, of course. :p

Therefore, plastic plants would be ok, since with adequate water changes and surface agitation, you pretty much eliminate the need for real plants.

As for your lighting, I would go for a hood that holds two fluorescent bulbs, since this makes it easier to increase or decrease the wattage used in your tank. When/ if you do get real plants, though, you will have to pay attention to wattage and what part of the light spectrum the lights emit.

Though fishie_birds (I think there's an underscore in the name...) has made quite a list of potential fish for you to add, you might want to ask about stocking and other such questions in the beginners forum. :p

HTH ^_^
:D :D

opps, how did I DO THAT??
 
Hello --

Letting the aquarium settle for a while is helpful. You can add plants though, without any problems.

If you have just a single fluorescent lights running the full length of the hood, you have what is considered "poor" lighting. Don't worry, that is very common and doesn't mean you were sold a dud! Most off-the-shelf aquaria are NOT well designed for plants. If you have two tubes, you have "fairly low" lighting.

OK, if your tank comes under the "poor" lighting level, you'd best stick to non-living plants and ornaments. You will save a lot of money over the long run. Rocks can be surprisingly effective if used intelligently, to build up a big mound, for example, where fish can hide and explore. Bogwood, bamboo, and plastic plants can also be used. Plastic plants, in my opinion, only look good when used in quantity. One or two on their own always look just like plastic plants. But a thick tangle gives a much better illusion.

If you have two tubes, things get more interesting. There are a few plants adapted to shady, low-light conditions. The most reliable and easy to grow are Java fern, Microsorium pteropus, and Anubias barteri variety "nana". Note that both of these are epiphytes and must never be planted in the substrate. They grow attached to rocks and wood. If you want to make life easy, buy them ready-made, where they are sold attached to nice piece of stone or bogwood. These tend to be a little more expensive than potted or loose plants, but you can virtually guarantee that they will grow, and I think are FAR better value.

Java fern is inedible and will grow steadily under most conditions; Anubias can get damaged by plecs but otherwise is tough and hardy, though very slow growing.

Java moss, Vesicularia dubyana, is another shade-tolerant plant. Again, this should never be planted into the gravel, and needs to encrust things like stones, wood, or coconut shells. You can often buy it ready-made, just as with the plants mentioned earlier. Between them, these three plants all have very different shapes, and give you plenty of scope for artistic landscaping. They aren't the cheapest plants, but they are the most reliable, and so if you are on a limited budget, make the best investment. Since they don't need "soil" as such, you only need enough sand or gravel to cover the glass at the bottom of the tank. Sand is the best stuff if you want a few catfish or loaches.

Fish couldn't care less about real versus plastic plants (except maybe those that eat plants!). What fish invariably want is some shade, and with some fish, a place to perch or rest. Most fish will be perfectly happy even with substitutes like rocks and wood, just so long as they have a complex, shady habitat that lets them feel secure. Remember, most of the fishes we keep are small species that get eaten by predators like bigger fish and birds. In the wild, they always try to stay close to cover of some kind, and if you want them to be happy, you need to respect that. What you use to produce that sense of security actually doesn't matter, just like people, they're adaptable!

You don't need to "add oxygen" to the water. Nature will take care of that. Fish usually die from poor filtration long before they asphyxiate from lack of oyxgen. If you are worried, simply arrange the filter so that spout is at or slightly above the water line. The more splashing, the more oxygen will get into the water.

Cheers,

Neale
 
Well said :kana: BUT, you said that you cant usually grow anything under the "poor lighting" well i just have a single strip accross the top and I have a red ludgiwa (sp) about 15 ancharious, an anuba, and a java fern and they are all growing very well! Here I will post a pic reall quick! But overall VERY WELL SAID!! hope WE all helped you :)

Ok here is the pic! (note, the goldie was in their a LONG time ago, untill i learned otherwise, but the tank still looks the same!)
http://i1.tinypic.com/nvwa6b.jpg]http://i1.tinypic.com/nvwa6b.jpg
 
Hello fishie_birds --

Thanks for the kind words.

I didn't say that you can't grow plants under "poor" lighting, just that isn't usually the best option. There are lots of factors, like aquarium depth, that come into play. But very broadly, 2 lighting tubes is the minimum in most situations, and you need 3 or 4 if you really want consistently good results.

I am surprised about the Ludwigia though -- it's usually considered a 'lots of light' species. Just goes to show...

Your tank looks nice. It's a good reminder than you can mix plastic and real plants to good effect, so you can explot the best of both worlds, if you want to.

Cheers,

Neale
 
Thanks everyone for your replies - it's all been immensely helpful! I have taken the plunge (no pun intended!) and bought 5 'low light' plants today along with my kids' choice of a bridge and a sunken submarine(!). I'm intending to get 3 white Clouds next weekend to start it all off.

Fishie_birds your tank looks great! Can't wait to get everything going - i know i'll be sitting for hours watching the goings on.
 

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