Permit For Adf?

[FishAddict99]

Well I finally caved in today and bought myself 2 african dwarf frogs. I'd wanted them for months but kept putting it off since I want to make a second "paradise" tank for them. I was ecstatic when I told the employee that I would be buying the adfs. However, he soon came back to me and explained, that those were "permit" animals and that I had to fill out a permit to buy them. I'd never heard of this before and I'd never filled out a permit to own an animal. Actually, it's really only a temporary permit and expires after 20 days.

What is the purpose of having a permit for these frogs? Were people just releasing them into local streams, rivers and ponds? Plus, what am I supposed to do after the 20 days? Go down to city hall to file for another permit?

 

[Inchworm]

Hi FishAddict99

A permit for ADFs? In New Jersey? I never heard of that before. I guess if you live near New York you could buy them here. We don't have that kind of law.

Are you sure the salesperson was not confusing them with African Clawed Frogs? Or that they weren't, in fact, ACFs. It's an easy mistake to make and one that happens frequently in lfs. Even so, although they are both prolific, I doubt that they would survive a winter in the wild.

 

[FishAddict99]

Hi FishAddict99

A permit for ADFs? In New Jersey? I never heard of that before. I guess if you live near New York you could buy them here. We don't have that kind of law.

Are you sure the salesperson was not confusing them with African Clawed Frogs? Or that they weren't, in fact, ACFs. It's an easy mistake to make and one that happens frequently in lfs. Even so, although they are both prolific, I doubt that they would survive a winter in the wild.

I know they were not ACF's. They were labeled as African Dwarf Frogs and had webbing on their front limbs. I know he wasn't confusing them because I saw on the label for the adf's, it had a red sticker with "P" on it for permit. The employee had no idea why that policy exists. Plus, when I was 12, I bought two adf's at walgreens in a cheap plastic container with a snail, a fake plant and some gravel. I know back then, they didn't ask me to fill out a permit so I'm wondering why it exists now. Oh, and I forgot to mention earlier that Petsmart is where I bought the frogs today.

 

[Inchworm]

Hi FishAddict99

I know just the kind of plastic set up you mean. The first time I saw and ADF it was in one of those that a friend of mine bought. They make fine little pets.

A quick search online gave me no information about problems with them getting loose and going feral. It could be that they are worried because the ADFs are related to them and they have actually caused some trouble for wildlife. I was tempted to make a wise crack about the "Frog Police," but after looking online, I guess I better not.

http/www.wtopnews.com/?nid=220&sid=1455187

Did you have to pay a fee for the permit?

 

[raptorrex]

Well I finally caved in today and bought myself 2 african dwarf frogs. I'd wanted them for months but kept putting it off since I want to make a second "paradise" tank for them. I was ecstatic when I told the employee that I would be buying the adfs. However, he soon came back to me and explained, that those were "permit" animals and that I had to fill out a permit to buy them. I'd never heard of this before and I'd never filled out a permit to own an animal. Actually, it's really only a temporary permit and expires after 20 days.

What is the purpose of having a permit for these frogs? Were people just releasing them into local streams, rivers and ponds? Plus, what am I supposed to do after the 20 days? Go down to city hall to file for another permit?

i would be inclined to contact your local, dept of fish and game(or whatever), on the subject, to get clarification

 

[FishAddict99]

Did you have to pay a fee for the permit?

No luckily, it was free. : )
I'm just curious about the permit. In a way, it makes the frogs even cuter than they already are. Now I just have to come up with some names for them.

 

[raptorrex]

Well I finally caved in today and bought myself 2 african dwarf frogs. I'd wanted them for months but kept putting it off since I want to make a second "paradise" tank for them. I was ecstatic when I told the employee that I would be buying the adfs. However, he soon came back to me and explained, that those were "permit" animals and that I had to fill out a permit to buy them. I'd never heard of this before and I'd never filled out a permit to own an animal. Actually, it's really only a temporary permit and expires after 20 days.

What is the purpose of having a permit for these frogs? Were people just releasing them into local streams, rivers and ponds? Plus, what am I supposed to do after the 20 days? Go down to city hall to file for another permit?

phew. took some digging but, in New Jersey, unless the critter is specifically exempt, you need a permit. its confusing though, as they also make a list of critters that you do need a permit for

so these are the ONLY critters you do not need a permit for:
section 4.4
4. Amphibians:
i. Leopard frogs - Rana pipiens;
ii. Green frogs - Rana clamitans;
iii. American toad - Bufo americanus;
iv. Fowler’s toad - B. w. fowleri;
v. Bullfrogs - Rana catesbeiana;
vi. Red-spotted newts - Notophthalmus viridescens;
vii. Dusky salamanders - Desmognathus fuscus

and these are SOME of the critters you do:
4. Amphibians:
i. African Clawed Frog - Xenopus laevis
ii. Poison Dart Frog - Dendrobates spp.
iii. Argentine Horned Frog - Ceratophrys ornata
iv. Green Treefrog - Hyla cynerea
v. Cuban Treefrog - Hyla septentrionalis
vi. Red-eyed Treefrog - Agalychnis callidryas
vii. White's Treefrog - Litoria caerulea
viii. Firebelly Toad - Bombina bombina
ix. Firebelly Newt - Cynops pyrrhogaster

as always the devil is in the detail:
Additional Species
A permit shall be required for any other exotic mammals, birds,
reptiles, or amphibians, or nongame species not specifically
exempted by Section 4.4.

So though it is not named, anywhere, you need a permit for ADF in New Jersey.

the above was taken from the New Jersey Regulations- Possession of nongame & exotic Wildlife.

 

[FishAddict99]

Well I finally caved in today and bought myself 2 african dwarf frogs. I'd wanted them for months but kept putting it off since I want to make a second "paradise" tank for them. I was ecstatic when I told the employee that I would be buying the adfs. However, he soon came back to me and explained, that those were "permit" animals and that I had to fill out a permit to buy them. I'd never heard of this before and I'd never filled out a permit to own an animal. Actually, it's really only a temporary permit and expires after 20 days.

What is the purpose of having a permit for these frogs? Were people just releasing them into local streams, rivers and ponds? Plus, what am I supposed to do after the 20 days? Go down to city hall to file for another permit?

phew. took some digging but, in New Jersey, unless the critter is specifically exempt, you need a permit. its confusing though, as they also make a list of critters that you do need a permit for

so these are the ONLY critters you do not need a permit for:
section 4.4
4. Amphibians:
i. Leopard frogs - Rana pipiens;
ii. Green frogs - Rana clamitans;
iii. American toad - Bufo americanus;
iv. Fowler’s toad - B. w. fowleri;
v. Bullfrogs - Rana catesbeiana;
vi. Red-spotted newts - Notophthalmus viridescens;
vii. Dusky salamanders - Desmognathus fuscus

and these are SOME of the critters you do:
4. Amphibians:
i. African Clawed Frog - Xenopus laevis
ii. Poison Dart Frog - Dendrobates spp.
iii. Argentine Horned Frog - Ceratophrys ornata
iv. Green Treefrog - Hyla cynerea
v. Cuban Treefrog - Hyla septentrionalis
vi. Red-eyed Treefrog - Agalychnis callidryas
vii. White's Treefrog - Litoria caerulea
viii. Firebelly Toad - Bombina bombina
ix. Firebelly Newt - Cynops pyrrhogaster

as always the devil is in the detail:
Additional Species
A permit shall be required for any other exotic mammals, birds,
reptiles, or amphibians, or nongame species not specifically
exempted by Section 4.4.

So though it is not named, anywhere, you need a permit for ADF in New Jersey.

the above was taken from the New Jersey Regulations- Possession of nongame & exotic Wildlife.

Wow, very thorough! Thanks a bunch! I've lived here all my life, yet I've never known that you needed permits for these animals. Poison dart frogs are the only animal on that list I can understand you'd need a permit for.

 

[Inchworm]

Leave it to a bunch of bureaucrats to make things complicated.

Is there an address or phone number on the permit so you can find out how to renew it?