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I want to buy a parakeet or 2 parakeets. I have a suitable cage and could set up the cage in a proper location in my room and whatnot.

I am doing research on these animals, since these are the first birds I have ever known. The texts that I can refer to are very old, however, and don't have all of the information I want. Therefore, I wanted to know if those of you who keep these birds can give me some pointers on where to buy from or some articles that you feel are informative. Info needed: what age to buy them at, how many, which gender(s), etc. Food and whatnot I could probably look up, but any help in that would be welcome.

Thanks
 
Hey ^^ Good bird of choice. I would suggest searching petfinder for any locals in shelters/rescues/being relinquished by private owners. Many people do not realize it, but there are a lot of homeless parakeets out there! Birds from a rescue have usually been health tested, and you might be able to get a bonded pair instead of risking buying two and not having them get along.

Anyhoo, advice wise:
- Parakeets are essenially parrots. This means they need a lot of attention (from you or another bird), mental stimulation, toys, out of cage time, or time in an aviary, and require a consistent, warm temperature.
- Single parakeets are more likely to bond to a human owner, but it takes a good deal of time and energy to get a nervous young bird to bond with you, so keep this in mind; if you don't wish to invest the time, please get him/her a friend.
- Parakeets require consistent, every-day attention to stay tame and friendly.
- Males tend to be more human-friendly than females. You can identify a male by the bright blue cere.
- If you wish to have a hand tame bird, seek out birds recently weaned; the older a parakeet is, the harder to tame, and very nervous older birds simply can not be tamed.
- If you just want the birds to look at, listen to, and enjoy, I suggest a pair or more; the benefit of getting more than two birds is that, if one dies, the companion is less likely to get depressed and stop eating.
- If you get several birds, just make sure you have a big enough cage and several food dishes; sometimes, submissive birds are bullied, and if everone eats from the same bowl, they may not get any food at all.
- Parakeets aren't too picky about what genders are together, but I would suggest a nice even mixing of males and females if you get several birds. This way you don't have one boy or one girl being fought for.
- Contrary to what you may see in stores, keets should not be on an all seed diet. Zupreme and Mazuri both make pelleted parakeet diets which are much healthier and can prevent the onset of fatty liver disease. Keets also appreciate treats and supplimentation of fruits, veggies, leafy greens, and seeds. Millet is a fairly low-fat seed treat that parakeets love.
- Most store birds are started on seed, so converting to pellet can be very difficult. Birds WILL starve themselves to death rather than try a new food, so the best method is to mix increasing amounts of pellet with decreasings seed, until the keet is comepelled to eat the pellets.
- NEVER give a parakeet, or any parrot-family bird, avacado; it will kill them.
- Keets love sprouted seeds! Simply take parakeet seed, soak in water until green shoots come out, and offer as a treat.
- You definately need something in the cage to wear the beak and nails if you are not comfortable or do not have a tame enough bird to trim. For beaks, mineral blocks, cuttlebone, and lava rock are great. For nails, calcium perches, lava rock perches, and sandpaper perches are best.
- By having a variety of different perch sizes and shapes, you can strengthen the feet, wear the nails, and keep the bird better entertained.
- Keets like water! They appreciate being misted with a bird mister or fine spray bottle, and most will readily hop in a bird bath placed in the cage.
- If you have mirrors and windows in your room, they must be covered when the parakeet is let out; they tend to fly into these. If you do not want flight, you can clip the flight feathers, or have a vet do this; most birds can still flutter and glide a bit with clipped wings, but can not make full speed, long distance flight with it.
- Always be very sure that your keets have no acess to house plants, electric chords, etc; they may chew on these and be harmed. Also be careful about open toilets, door ways, and your own feet!
- Toys, toys, and more toys! Parakeets are very intelligent birds who love to play. Depending on how large the cage is, you should be able to add a variety of toys. They greatly enjoy mirrors, bells, and things that can safely be chewed on and wrecked.
- Single birds might like a 'hump buddy' in the form of a plastic bird, or cloth shape, in one corner of the cage. They get lonely, too!
- If you get a male and female, you can offer a nestbox for the sake of the female's sanity, but if you don't want babies, you can buy fake eggs and discard the real ones she lays; usually, the keets will just sit on the fake eggs and not produce any more.
- Be careful to avoid drafts (and please, do not keep them outdoors!); they are the number one killer of parakeets. Parakeets prefer a minimum temperature of 68-70 degrees; think of them as tropical fish ^^ However, I wouldn't suggest placing in direct sunlight, as they can get overheated.
- Keets can stress out easily; when you first get yours, cover the cage, turn the lights off, and leave them alone. This is procedure for whenever the bird is stressed - their little hearts beat so fast they can have a heart attack.
- When you are not home during the day, leave a radio or TV on; they enjoy the interaction, sounds, and sights. You can even buy tapes and CDs of bird video and sounds; your keets will get a kick out of it!
- Of course, keep your birds clean. They make this stuff called "bird poop off" that is not toxic to birds and removes feces from the branches. There are several kinds of linings for the bottom of the cage you can use as well. I use newspaper because it is readily available, cheap, and easy to discard of. But corn cob is another popular choice. Just make sure it isn't something your bird would want to eat!
- Birds carry diseases in the feces, esp. salmonella and campylobacter. So be sure to wash you hands thoroughly, avoid inhaling fecal dust, and sterilize anything you use to scrub the cage.

Hm... thats all I can think of r/n. I'll come back later if I think of anything else.
 
What kind of parakeet? -_-

You could go for a budgie but they're evil and have a tendency to bite. Cockatiels are a little better, but i've found them to be a bit unpredictable.

By far the best small bird you can get is a conure! If you get one hand reared they're the best birds you could find. They're more parrot like than a budgie and cockatiel (ie. more intelligent!!) so need more time spent with them and definately need several hours out of their cage again. If you went for a maroon bellied or green cheeked they're very quiet too :D

If you just wanted something to sit in a cage and look pretty then go for a pair of lovebirds. They come in some beautiful colours, and if you have a pair they will occupy each other more :) You will need a large-ish cage though :) Oh, and they can be noisy as well! :lol:
 
jess if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for your conure? cause from your posts youve made me interested but the price is BIG, round $700 to $1000 in australia from what ive seen so far
 
Well socialized parakeets are most certainly NOT evil or biters; they are very sweet, gregarious birds. Conures, unless properly handled and socialized, can deliver a much nastier bite than a keet, and are more likely to deliver one to a family member or young child since they typically bond to one person. Budgies are an ideal beginner bird because they have a shorter lifespan than parrots and other parakeets, are comparatively quiet, have mild temperaments, and are seen by most veterinarians. A parrot is a HUGE responsibility, not something you buy on a whim. Nor should a budgie be, but at least if your budgie isn't tame, it won't come lunging and attacking at you like a belligerent parrot will, and it won't live for 50 years getting shuffled between homes.

I think before we go reccomending a conure to someone who wants a parakeet (budgie), it should be noted that many species of conures are extremely loud, live over 30 years, require a large cage, need hours of attention, plenty of out-of-cage time, often bond to one person, and will feather-pluck severely if they do not get adequate enrichment. And, if she wanted a good, quality, hand-raised bird from a place where they are likely to be healthy and well socialized, she's going to have to find a breeder. Makes things a little complicated for someone wanting a simple beginner bird. :/ I have a conure myself, but I would not reccomend them to anyone who hasn't thoroughly researched parrots; they are an exotic animal with care specifics that not everyone can handle.

Haha oh, and I would NEVER reccomend an amazon to anyone. They're gorgeous, but if you like your ear drums and fingers.... From what I've read, they're nice for 5 years, become sexually mature, are mean for 40 years, then nice for thier last five. Mine is 7, and while I can let her out, pet her feet and lower belly, and hand feed her, you can not allow her near your face or fingers as she is highly unpredictable. Every sexually mature amazon I've met has been like this, and most texts I've read on them advise having your arm wrapped in a towel while handling, and avoiding getting the bird near your face. (Though I'm sure some of her behavior relates to having been abandoned and mishandled by previous owners, however)
 
Im fairly sure i didn't mention amazons at all :/

I dont know what your conure is like, but the three i've had (and countless ones i've rescued and worked with) have all been very very tame. I've never had a serious bite from ANY of the conures i've worked with. You do have to get a tame, hand reared one as they CAN give a good bite, but i did mention that in my post ;)

I've found my conures to be laid back and easy going. Personally, i dont see the point in getting a bird and sticking it in a cage and not having anything to do with it. All of my birds, except for my lovebirds who i plan to breed, are out most of the day and they have several hours interaction with people. Im assuming that this person wants a tame pet they can handle and stuff.. If so i'd personally not recommend a budgie. They are known for being moody and unpredictable and need a lot of work to keep them tame. And they can give you a nasty bite as well.

And, i think it should be noted ( ;) ) that i recommended two specific species of conures. All conures have a similar character but ones such as sun, jenday and nanday are VERY loud, as are the larger red masked and patagonian. But i've had green cheeks and marroon bellied who hardly make a sound. My current green cheek only shouts if i get the cockatoo out before him! :lol:

And i was assuming that Tempestuousfury would do plenty of research anyway before buying the bird. Im sure they have enough sense to know that you dont make a commitment like that (even budgies can live 10+ years) without having fully researched it :)

Ooh, and the conure i have at the moment (green cheek) cost £125 hand reared, tame with carrier, food etc. I have also been offered countless conures from the rescue i work for. Those are free! But of course, you have to know what you're doing for a rescue to give you a bird so its probably not an option for a first bird :) A green cheek/maroon bellied certainly shouldn't cost more than $200-$250 though i wouldn't think.. :/
 
I know; I mentioned amazons, because I know a lot of people who have gotten them thinking they are reasonably small parrots, and figure they will make good pets. Just a pre-emptive post lest someone attempt to suggest that, since the topic of parrots came up ;)

My conure, who is a green-cheeked, is indeed very sweet, affectionate, cuddly, and tame... to me. He is fine with strangers, but passionately hates members of my household; I think perhaps he feels they are competing with him for attention. He will attempt to bite them if they are silly enough to try handling them, but he will be perfectly cuddly and social to absolute strangers. I can do pretty much anything handling-wise with him. Perhaps it is just a personality quirk. He is also fairly loud for the size room I am in; he likes to "talk" to the TV, radio, and other birds in the room, and he does it very, very vocally. Compared to a Jeday or Sun, he's quiet, but compared to a parakeet, he roars. For people who are experienced with parrots, they seem quiet, but most people are used to only finches, keets, and the like. Since noise is a big reason why they are surrendered, I just felt it was worth noting.

I had gotten the impression from this person's post that he/she was looking for a simple begginner bird (she stated she'd never had birds before), and hasn't really been seriously thinking about it for a long time; it looks like he/she was only in the starting stages of researching it. She also allready bought a parakeet-sized cage, which would likely be completely inadequate for a conure. So, I though suggesting a parrot would be a bad idea. I do not consider even friendly parrots to be good beginner birds, due to the immense amount of time you must invest in them, as well as the large cage, expensive toys, varied (and often pricey) diet, and long lifespan. However, I do agree that conures are a good beginner parrot. :thumbs:

At any rate, she asked for advice on parakeet husbandry, not opinions of thier temperaments (ours clearly differ based on experience), or suggestions of other species. I think at this point, the most helpful thing we could do is provide advice and links relevant to the information she requested. ;)
 
parakeets are such awesome birds. i have 2 and i love them to death. (i will try to get a pic of mine and the cage i made for them up tomorrow or so)

auratus pretty much covered everything important.
i feed mine a mixture of 50% zupreem pellets, 40% ecotrition seed, 10% various treats mixed in (all 3 of these, raspberry coconut, and crumbled vive)

my keets' favorite food is kiwi
:hey:

i use corncob for the bottom of my cage and i have a waterfall in there that they find "interesting"
 
I'd never recommend an amazon as i personally dont like them. They are LOUD :lol: and love fingers! :D

I dont know the history of your conure, but usually (and by that i mean all of the conures i've seen and from what i've read, heard and been told) have been happy to go to anyone, which is what you usually expect from a conure. They are known for being easy going birds who dont bond strongly to one person. If they do get to be 'one person birds' its usually because of not being socialised enough when they're young.. But maybe he's just a less social conure!

And i do disagree about the noise. I've had budgies, tiels, lovebirds, various toos, greys, amazons and macaws in my house and i can honestly say that everyone of those are louder than my conures have been. Obviously you'd expect the larger parrots to be, but the parakeets and stuff.. well, you'd be suprised how noisy they can be!! :crazy: Parrots will usually (and i repeat, USUALLY!!) only make a large amount of noise for a long when they need something or they're bored etc... (or in the case of my rescues, if they have 'issues'). Whereas, i've found tiels and budgies and lovebirds to be annoyingly noisy - They will just sit there, in or out of the cage, chipring and screeching for no reason! I think my lovebirds are the cutest little things, but they ARE loud! As were the budgies i've had..

But, it doesn't really matter what we think, the person who originally posted will have to make up their own mind, hopefully based on some of the info in this thread :) Theres lots of parrot and bird forums out there too which will be helpful im sure :) Just search for 'parrot forums' :D
 
A family friend had a cockatiel and a parakeet, the tiel loved the guy but the keet loved me lol. I could mock battle her for rights to my shoulder, toss her up in the air (gently, I'm not a psycho :p ) and have her divebomb me in return, and do imatations of Ozzy Osbourne, she loved me pretending to bite her head off, don't ask me why!

She was handfed and tame as could be, that was the first bird I ever actually bonded to (and we've had a lot, over eleven cockatiels at one time). I would definitely suggest getting it from a breeder and it being handfed.
 
All of Random's advice is very good :nod: To add to the comment about fatty liver disease - they are also tumor factories. That shouldn't discourage you though, because almost every bird is proned to one problem or another.

I feed my budgies a main diet of Zupreem natural. When they are on the colored seed their stool comes out like a rainbow so if my birds ever had liver problems I wouldn't be able to tell visually. I switched to Zupreem natural and the stool is more of a normal color now.
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This is their treat. It's Lafaber's Nutri-An cakes. It's 50% seed and 50% pellets. The seeds are low fat seeds and the whole cake is glued together so they can't pick around the pellets. You can only get this at your local Avian Veterinarian though. They sell Avi-Cakes in petstores but the seeds are higher fat.
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I also offer dark leafy greens even though they just seem to throw them on the floor.

They get water in the sipper bottles like you would use for a hamster. I think it's very easy to switch them over to these and it's more sanitary, they can't use the bathroom or get food in their water.

Good luck with your birds :thumbs:
 
Auratus - did your birds take quickly to the uncolored food? I'd like to switch mine since their poop comes out in ridiculous colors, and stains everything. But, the keets were very hard to switch to pellets (especially the old one; jeeze). I don't know if I want to subject my two eldest birds to uncolored if it is going to be the ordeal that switching from seed to pellet was.

Jessica - I do not have much info on Aspen's past, but he's been that way towards family members ever since I got him. My grandparents very foolishly bought him from some random pet store as a Christmas Gift; apparently they weren't very clear on my "pet stores = bad, parrot trade = bad" stance. So it is possible that he was poorly socialized as a chick.
And we'll have to agree to disagree on noise ;) - parakeets are constantly chatty, but it is a lower volume chatty than a conure when it decides to chat. I think my boy might just be talkative; even when he is perfectly occupied by his toys, playground, time out of his cage, etc. he is constantly making little noises, and when he sees the TV or Radio come on, he makes all kinds of racket. He loves Jazz and gets very excitable with it. He also makes these ear-splitting calls every time the front door opens, and likes to press his beak to my ear and go "wersha, weeersha, werssssha wersha wersha" whenever he is out. He makes similar noises while he eats. I'm still baffled as to what he is trying to say. :lol:
My Amazon, parakeets, and finches were all rescues. The Amazon was especially effected by her poor level of care; she was kept until she was 2, abandoned at a clinic for biting people, and was at that point kept in a barren cage I wouldn't even keep a finch in for about 5 years, eating sunflower seeds and bird treats. No one handled her because they were afriad of being bitten x_x Really, it is surprising she is as well behaved as she is.
But anyhoo - enough of us hogging this thread by chatting about parrots! We'll have to discuss them in your thread about you're gorgeous baby conure :wub:

Origional Poster - I hope everyone's advice will help you take care of your future parakeets! You must post pictures when you get them; I can't wait to see the little dudes (or dudettes.) Do look into Auratus's suggestion of the bland colored pellets; I have spots on the perches permenantly stained by brightly colored turds ::laughs:: Also, Jessica made a good point on lifespan. While they live shorter lives than parrots, they can still live pretty darn long; my two eldest keets are 13 (going to be 14 this January) and 10. Heck, even finches live forever; my oldest finch is currently 13 as well, and they're not supposed to live as long as parakeets.
 
Well, I mixed it with the fruit blend about 50% 50% to start and they just picked out the colored and threw the other stuff on the ground. The cockatiels did the same. It was making me mad because it's a little more expensive then regular Zupreem :lol:

But I just eventually went 45% then 35% and so on and now they are at a very small amount of colored seeds. Maybe about one colored pellet for every ten natural pellets. We are getting there. There is always crushed up tan dust at the bottom of their dishes so at least I know they are eating it!

Oh, it doesn't have that strong fruit smell either, which I'm sure doesn't help attract them to it. :dunno:
 
RandomWiktor, you pretty much just summed up the two books I read on parakeets. :p

Difference between budgies and parakeets? I was told that the diffs. are negligible.

At petsmart, the cockatiels tried biting my finger when I had it outside of the cage, so I would think they, if not all of them are nippy.

Problems I see, if anyone can help me with them:
Only 4 horizontal bars in the cage I have right now. :/
No branches around here that I would trust to put in the cage
The spaces between bars is around 1", which the books I read say is .5" too big. :/
Of course, money is always a problem for me, but I'll have to figure that one out, though I could prolly get the keets from a pet shelter, though they'd be old...

Thanks all. :D
 

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