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i cant get this tank yet and am just planning for when i buy my own house.

i would love a tank with 20 cardinals, a few dwarf gouramiis and 2 BN ples (these are my fav fish) would make the tank planted and big bits of bog wood

what sort of tank size would be ideal based on the maximum growth of these fish.

I dont have a clue
 
wow is that it

i was expecting an answer of at least 40+ UK gallons (see i told you i had no idea)

so if i was to buy say a jewel 180 ( i did have one and belive it to be 40 UK G's) that would be more than enough and provide them with loads more room

funny how i plan to move out in the next 1.5 years and i am allready planning on the tanks i will be having instead of what furniture ill be wanting lol
 
funny how i plan to move out in the next 1.5 years and i am allready planning on the tanks i will be having instead of what furniture ill be wanting lol

Thats what i am doing too. Been thinking about all the tank set-ups i want! Forget the furniture :p
 
A 33 gal (US) long is a nice size tank. That's what I have. 36long x 18high x 12deep.
Works nicely for schooling fish like cardinals, 20 would be no problem.
 
With water displacement from substrate, plants and bogwood, I would think you need at least 40 gallon (would probably only have 30 gallon of water). I don't think cardinals create much of a bio load but I'm not sure. I don't know anything about the gouramis. Just based on the 1" per gallon rule, anything under 40 would seem to be over stocked. Just an opinion though.
 
'Cardinals are a great example of where 1" per gallon doesn't apply.'

Yeah, but so are bristlenoses- going in the other direction lol
 
Whoops sorry, didn't see guoramis are included in the mix- 40 gal is probably better for them, cardinal tetras are very low waste producers which is why you can have so many of them in a tank that doesn't nesarsarily go by the 1gal per inch rule.
Am i right in think BN plecs only grow to 4-5inchs?
 
yes the BN plecs do get to be 4-5 inches.

exactly what kind of dwarf gouramis do you want? I have herd that the neon, powder and the red ones are aggressive to eachother, and that you need a 55 gallon for two.

But others like honeys should be fine with more that one.
 
IMO, you'd need about 40 gals US to keep 20 cardinals, a trio or pair of dwarfs and a couple of bristlenoses. If you can get a bigger tank, then by all means do. The plants also help decrease the amount of nitrAte in the tank so further increase its capacity bio-load wise (though not when it comes to physical space or oxygen content etc).

Also, the neons, flame, red etc dwarf gouramies are all exactly the same species - the dwarf gourami, colisa lalia - and you can comfortably keep two males in a 20 gallon. Females are not aggressive - only the males are territorial. Honeys are honeys :p colisa chuna/sota. The males are also territorial but these are slightly smaller so you can keep more.

The only realy common gourami I would not reccomend keeping more than one male in anything less than a 55 gallon is the three-spot (gold, opalines, platinums, cosby, blue etc are all color morphs of this - trichogaster trichopterus). These fish can realy be aggressive once mature but are also triple the size of dwarfs. There should be several females to a single male as well. And if you want to guarantee they wont fight, I would stick to differently colored males with females that match each - eg: a trio of golds and a trio of blues. I don't know why, but differently colored males tend to show less interest in each other.

Something else I'd like to add - the 'inch per gallon guideline' is meant to apply to, firstly, US gallons (which are less than UK so 40 UK gallons are more than enough) and also, it is meant to apply to small, slim-bodied fish - just like cardinals. So, actualy, it does apply to cardinals. :p However, what you need to keep in mind is how a fish is emasured - from the eye to the penduncle. So a cardinal only counts for just under an inch. :) What it does not apply to is fish like plecs which are big poop-machines. :p

Just out of curisity BTW, why do you want 2 bristlenoses? There's nothing realy wrong with this but these plecs are territorial (not realy aggressive though) so, unless you want to get a pair to breed them or something, getting one would actualy be better (and leave you with more room for cardinals or gouramies or any future additions which I guarantee you'll eventualy want).
 
Tokis-Phoenix said:
A 25gal(british not us gals) will be perfect for them :thumbs:
I agree...



But I have to say something that is a bit off topic :lol:


I don't understand why we have to have a differance between the United States and other countries when it comes to ammounts and stuff. Like why is there UK Gallons and US gallons? It's just stupid to me, a gallon is a gallon! :lol:
 
Lol yeah - very confusing. I can never remember the conversions... and it isn't just that either - I mean theres inches and centimetres and feet and yards and miles and kilometres and pints and pounds and kilograms and metres and furlongs and knots and litres and, and, and... :p
 
sylvia said:
Lol yeah - very confusing. I can never remember the conversions... and it isn't just that either - I mean theres inches and centimetres and feet and yards and miles and kilometres and pints and pounds and kilograms and metres and furlongs and knots and litres and, and, and... :p
*Starts Ripping Hair Out* :S


That is exaclty what I mean, but let's get back on topic shall we :p
 

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