New L260 Found Nearly Dead

[sophos9]

Hi

Some of you may have read my post about my female L260 QA mysteriously dying a few weeks ago. I then got another who has been fine until this morning when I noticed him laying on his side gasping. I got him straight out in a mixture of current/other tank water and dropped him in my other tank (where I add nothing). Just like last time, all other fish are totally fine!

So what happened last night?

I increased my CO2 output (which is solenoid controlled so does not come on over night), I dosed Flourish Excel, micro nutrients and the last Protozin whitespot dose went it (spot is all gone but going up to 16days to be sure)

Now like last time, my other QA died just 2 days after adding Flourish Excel and I was also dosing whitespot at the time - now I'm not sure that is root cause... Oxygen should be fine - good circulation and plants pearl like crazy and CO2 should be fine as no other fish are affected - Bristle Nose and Clown Plecs are all fine!

Water stats are
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrites - 0ppm
Nitrates - 5ppm
PH - 6.6
KH - 3dg
Phosphates - 5ppm
CO2 - approx 30ppm

After adding him to my other tank he did swim around a couple of times an found a quite spot, this tank has no macro/micro, medication or CO2 so I hope he will recover but I need to find what is causing this before he goes back!

Please help!

 

[LisaLQ]

So just to get things straight. You took him out of one tank, that is infected with whitespot, because he was gasping (which can be one of the first signs of whitespot incidentally). You put him in an uninfected tank with other fish?

You're now going to have to treat the other tank for whitespot too - because if there are other fish in there, you've just infected them

Dont get me wrong, I'd probably have done the same thing if there was no other option, knowing me in a panic, but now instead of having somewhere he can go without medication, you've just made it so there are going to be two tanks with medication in them - and if this is a reaction to it, he's going to have to put up with it all over again?

Unless this is a quarantine tank with no other fish in (fingers crossed) you're talking about? Otherwise, it might be worth investing in one

 

[sophos9]

Lisa, Hi

Sorry I should have been a bit more specific... About 1 month ago I had a ich outbreak, I treated with Interpet for approx 12 days. All seemed sorted however I then saw 1 whitespot on a clown loach... now we know if we see 1, there will be more. Interpet was not effective for me (first time I used it and the last) so after a 50% water change I started treating with Protozin (which has always worked first time everytime) so I dosed half dosage on days 1,2,3 and 6 then dosed again on day 12 - since day 2 there has not been any whitespot, there still does not remain any With the normal timing of the ich cycle there would have been evidence of existing ich and bearing in mind that Protozin's last dose is day 6 (and when I added dose on day 12 it was after the appropriate amount of water removed) I fully confident that the infestation has gone. The other tank has 2 danios in it.

With the knowledge of what happened to my other QA and events leading up I had no option but to get him out, he was laying on his side not moving and did not move even when I was taking him out of the tank!!

Any thoughts...?

 

[sophos9]

Good news is he has found a nice spot and seems relaxed in the other tank, not getting a prawn ready so will post ho things go!

 

[sophos9]

Sorry to bump this

He is doing fine in the other tank, active and feeding well!

Anyone have any ideas on what the problem could have been here? I've checked out everything and cannot think of what it might be....?

 

[DiscusAngel]

whats your full stocking in the other tank? as someone could be bullying it.

 

[PlecMama]

I just woke up so forgive me if I am missing something, but the plec was in the tank you were medicating and you took him out and into an unmedicated tank and he improved.

Plecs can be very sensitive to meds, I am very sparse with the medication, you have to be very careful, start treating the tank with a half dose instead of doing what the bottle says so, plecs are built like small tanks but a ordinary dose of meds and they can keel over.

Seems that no one much knows why.

Could that be all it is? or were you already giving your tank a plec sized dose?

 

[sophos9]

whats your full stocking in the other tank? as someone could be bullying it.

Hi

Its a community tank with:
26 Tetras
1 Clown Pleco
2 BN Pleco's
4 Clown loaches
1 Red tailed black shark (who is completely passive )
1 American Flag Fish
4 Otto's

I just woke up so forgive me if I am missing something, but the plec was in the tank you were medicating and you took him out and into an unmedicated tank and he improved.

Plecs can be very sensitive to meds, I am very sparse with the medication, you have to be very careful, start treating the tank with a half dose instead of doing what the bottle says so, plecs are built like small tanks but a ordinary dose of meds and they can keel over.

Seems that no one much knows why.

Could that be all it is? or were you already giving your tank a plec sized dose?

Hi... I was only dosing half of the recommended due to having clown loaches in the tank. Alongside the meds I added Flourish Excel, the only thing i can begin to presume is its oxygen related although my plants were pearling like crazy and this would lead to a better o2 saturation than any airstone/disturbance would provide??

 

[DiscusAngel]

That Rtb sounds like the main culprie eventhough you may say he's passive. other than that, your clown plec or bn's must not want any new copanions. so id put him back i keep an eye on him if he gets bad again straight out get him better and return him.

 

[sophos9]

Great stuff thanks, will do... Have got a 50% water change scheduled tomorrow so when he goes back in, the meds will be gone 'just in case'

 

[sophos9]

The little fella died late yesterday, cannot understand it. Since moving him into the other tank he was doing great then for what seems like no reason he died?

All the parameters are fine, he had food (although I never saw him eating). In the tank he was in he never had to compete for food or anything and nothing was in there that could bully him...

Gutted, this is the second QA that's died mysteriously - I want another but think it may end in the same way (and I cannot afford one!!)

Anyone have any more thoughts?

 

[DiscusAngel]

simply your clown pleco on bn's dont like him. or he shark. i wouldnt get another.

 

[sophos9]

Thanks for the reply. How could that be when he was behaving fine for days in the spare tank, I never got the chance to put him into the main tank with the other fish? There are only some Danios in there...

 

[DiscusAngel]

yea, h e was fine in the tank on his own! but when his worst enemys came back... the hurt him more and killed him!

 

[sophos9]

Thats what I'm saying, he never went back in that tank - he had the whole spare tank to himself and was fine for days then on Sunday, for no apparent reason, he died?