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maria.madeline22

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hi, to everyone i am very new to having fish, i am looking up so much info that is confusing me. i had the tank from a friend without any info let it run for a week before putting fish in except i've done it all wrong from what i've read. i have read on here about cycling but now i have to do it with fish in and reading info on here has given me even more questions. i first introduced 6 platy but 1 died and now i have 3 guppy i do not intend to add anymore until i get things right now (already feeling guilty). any advice will be so welcome but even tho i do not want to add anymore fish i have seen that i need so many fish per gallon i know my tank is 48 litres so how many fish ? also i seen that a filter head should face up is this correct ? so many question can't even think of them now read to much info please please help me !
 
Feed them healthy food.. Fish belly is size of their eye. So don't over feed.. Do weekly 20 to 50 % water change. Don't add medicines unless you really really have to.

Ps.. Bigger the tank smaller the problam.
 
Hi there and welcome to the hobby!

First off, pop down to the local library and grab a couple of fish books to read.

Secondly, I'm not sure what type of filter you have (whether its an internally mounted filter, or external, or hangonthe back filter) but, I take it you mean that your positioning the outlet of the filter nozel to break the water surface? This is good for surface agitation.

As your filter bacteria are unlikely to be of sufficient numbers to deal with some of the chemical waste and bi-products of your fish yes, I would do a daily 10% water change for a few weeks (of water the same temperature), treated with tap water conditioner or dechlorinator etc.

Feed your fish every other day as much as they can consume in 3 minutes, and remove any leftovers if you can using a gravel syphon/vac.

Keep that up, and you should soon have a stable tank.

Don't fret! back in the old days, we all used fish to cycle our tanks (I still do), most often it works out just fine with regular maintainance.

Does your tank have a light? If so the addition of something simple like gian amazonian frogbit, duck weed, elodea etc. something that grows fairly quickly, will also help keep your tank healthy.

I've tried to keep this simple to start with, and I reccomend you read some books :)
 
thank you so much you have both been very helpful i am trying to take it one step at the time sounds like i on the right track now which i am very grateful for
 
As your filter bacteria are unlikely to be of sufficient numbers to deal with some of the chemical waste and bi-products of your fish yes, I would do a daily 10% water change for a few weeks (of water the same temperature), treated with tap water conditioner or dechlorinator etc.

With respect, I think 10% is not going to be nearly enough.

My personal recommendation would be to invest in decent quality liquid test kits for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. I personally started off with the Hagen master kit, others recommend the API, and others the Salifert tests. Certainly, the API one can be bought for £20 on Ebay. The paper tests can be somewhat inaccurate, so I'd suggest not getting those.

With the position you are in, you need to test your water at least once per day, perhaps twice, depending upon the results. Initially, you need to concentrate on ammonia and nitrite. These are both highly toxic to fish. When you test, if either of these two poisons is above 0.25ppm, then you need to change the water, by a quantity large enough to bring that level down as close to 0 as possible.

If you have a level of 0.5ppm for ammonia, if you only change 10%, then you will be left with ammonia at 0.45ppm - hence my initial comment. If, on the other hand, you change 75%, you will be left with 0.12ppm. This will give you some leeway to eat, breathe, sleep, etc., before you test again. You might well find that levels are up at 1ppm, or higher. It is perfectly acceptable to remove so much water that you only leave the fish just enough to swim upright in. They will find it much less stressful than swimming in a tank full of poison.

As time goes on, you will find that at one point, your test will register Double Zero (ie 0ppm ammonia and 0ppm nitrite). THis is good, you don't need to change water. But the next day, you will see levels rising again - in which case, change water again.

Then you'll find you can go 2 days without changing, then 3, 4, 5, etc.

When you find that you can go for a whole week without a water change, you can consider your filter as mature - at which point weekly water changes, of about 30%, are the way to go.

It is only at this point that it is wise to add further fish. However, you will then need to test daily, and potentially water change again, as the filter bacteria colonies grow to process the addition ammonia produced by the additional fish.

I hope that's all understandable, if you've got any queries, however daft you think they are, feel free to post them up, there are loads of us on here who are more than happy to share their experience, and give you all the advice you need. The only silly question is the one that remains unasked.

:good:

Edit: Sorry, the other thing to say is that you don't "need" a certain amount of fish per gallon.

As someone new to the hobby, many would recommend that you stock the tank lightly, but there are no set-in-stone rules - when you get a mature filter (in a few weeks), post up your ideas on additional fish, and see what people reckon.
 
i wouldnt feed normal amounts either, it will only add to the ammonia being produced. fish can live for a good while without eating, ive seen comments on here of people going on holiday for a week and fish have been fine. i would only feed once every other day for now while your filter is maturing. 10% change is no good, i did a fish in cycle with 4 fish in a 140L tank, and i was doing 50% every other day. as mentioned, the bigger the tank the less chance of catastrophe, so my 4 fish in 140L of water was easier to control. however, with your fish numbers and the small tank, 75% as mentioned above is a good place to start.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Just wanted to say your tank is roughly the same size as mine and you roughly have the same amount and breed of fish that I have. I'm new too and I've just had to do the fish in cycle. It can get stressful but mines taken about a month to have regular readings of zero for Ammonia and Nitrite and the Nitrate to start coming up.

Try not to worry too much, keep an eye on the fish - it was my platies that let me know things wern't right. The guppies didn't seem too fussed that they were swimming round in Ammonia.

If the fish lay on the gravel with their fins clamped to their bodies then that usually is a sign you need to change some water. Sometimes They head for the top and start gasping too.

The advice here is very good.

Good luck :)
 
but mines taken about a month to have regular readings of zero for Ammonia and Nitrite and the Nitrate to start coming up.

Lucky wotsit - mine took double that.
 
I was expecting it to take a lot longer but since I re-homed my 2 clown loaches it all seems to have turned around. I don't think for one second that I'm home and dry just yet, I'm still paranoid that it's all gonna turn on it's head - mostly because it didn't take that long. It feel's a bit like a fluke!

My main thing though was not to terrify the life out of maria.madeline22. I had some posts when I was going through it that scared the wotsit out of me and for a bit I worried I'd made a huge mistake.

I don't want anyone else doing what I did and getting up at 3am just to check my fish were still alive!!

Good luck maria.madeline22. It's not that scary it's just a little stressful and hard work to begin with but you will get there no matter how long it takes. You may lose the odd fish, you also may not it's one of those 'what will be, will be' situations

:)
 
I must admit I disagree, 10% daily has always worked for me with low stocking.

Theres also no need to purchase expensive liquid test kits, strip tests are cheaper and just as good (the difference in accuracy is negligible, as the manufactured tests aren't that accurate anyway).

Don't stress too much, its easy to make this into an expensive arduous hobby when there is really no need (says the man who just bought a nex external filter for yet another tank ;p ).

Good luck!
 
Theres also no need to purchase expensive liquid test kits, strip tests are cheaper and just as good (

With respect i cant disagree more,if your going to take fish keeping as hobby a good liquid test kit should be in the house before the tank :good:
 
Theres also no need to purchase expensive liquid test kits, strip tests are cheaper and just as good (

With respect i cant disagree more,if your going to take fish keeping as hobby a good liquid test kit should be in the house before the tank :good:

I understand the diff of opinion, but having tested both, there really is very little difference (at leas any difference worth the cost).
 
Imo using a strip in a mature tank for a quick test as per matinance is fine but when you really need know what the ppm diff is like 0.25 to 0.50 no of the strips i used in the past have been up to much
 
I've noticed that a lot of the paper strips don't have a test for ammonia, which is essential in a fish-in cycle.
 

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