Neons keep dyeing

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I bought 10 neon tetras for my 10 gallon tank on thursday. They looked fine in the store. When i got them home they werent moving much but i figured that was because of stress. The next morning i noticed 2 have died. I blamed that also on stress. But then by that night 3 more died. Over the next night another 2 died. And now another looks like he has a white fingus on his head. What could be going horribly wrong in my tank?? Could it be the tank (Its newly cycled)?? or is it more likely that they were diseased from the store? Also what could i do to prevent this from happening again. The fish have a 7 day warranty (i bought them at NJ Pets) and i am going tonight to replace the dead ones. I also have guppy in the tank that i cycled it with (a feeder guppy, not fancy tail) and some other kind of tetra (it has a clear body with red and black fins, if anyone knows what it is i will be glad to find out) are they in danger of catching the disease?
 
First of all, that was too many fish to put in one tank.

Rule of thumb which I don't abide by is 1" per gallon. Following that rule, you were over.

However, you were over in my book because you already had 2 fish, you added far too many fish at once, and neons need lots of room to swim in and to breathe.

They probably died because of bad handling when they were caught and shipped to the store you bought them from. This stress leads to weakening of the immune system and subsequent deaths and infections.

The best thing to do now is buy anti-fungal meds and treat your tank. From now on, only add a few fish at a time and make sure that the lfs you get the fish from has had the fish for a few weeks to make sure they aren't realy stressed out.

You should also get that tetra id'd, and add tetras of the same species because they are schooling fish and get stressed out when kept alone. You could also add other guppies in order to breed them if you want to and can provide for the fry.
 
Yeah, seconded. That 7 day warranty is a nice feature, just get credit for the fish but don't replace them yet. One or two at a time but let's take care of the little guys that are already in there first :D

ALASKA

neons can be fragile, give it lots of time.
 
Neon tetras are very sensitive to nitrogen pollution. It is commonly cited that they should not be added to tanks recently cycled, only to tanks that have been running for 6 months or more. The reason is that a tank may appear cycled, but in actual fact it is unstable. Adding so many fish in one go, to a small tank, with a bacterial colony sized to a couple of fish would almost certainly have spiked with ammonia and/or nitrite.
 
Im pretty sure that the tank is cycled. I am using a filter from an already cycled tank and i filled it with water from my 55 (that has been running for about 3 years) and i still let it cycle for 2 weeks. So i am almost positvive that it it cycled but i am atill going to get the water tested today.
 
There is very little bacteria in the tank water, so although the water is maybe better then fresh tap water it does not really help cycling. I suspect the level of bacteria in your filter adjusted downwards to the new stock level, i.e. 2 fish. You then added 10 new fish, (overstocking your tank incidently), temporarily overwhelming the bacteria, producing a nitrogen pollution spike, and killing off some of the notoriously nitrogen sensitive Neons.
 
I was thinking about bloodfins. There are numerous small Characins that come in which are basically siler/transparent with red fins to a greater or lesser degree, they usually get the common name "BloodFin". The one at the link is typical, some have more red, others less, some are more transparent, others bluish in the body.
 
I have been having similar problems with buying rummy nose tetras. i first bought a group of 10 and added them directly to my 100 gallon community tank that has been esatblished for a LONG time. after one week, i had lost 7 of the the fish. no apparent disease externally on them. now left with only 3, i needed more so i bought 6 more and put them in the 10gal quarantine tank alone which has a cycled filter and 0 ammonia & nitrites and very low nitrates. after two days, two of that group have already died. i am afraid to go home today and find more dead. i have read the neons, cadinals, and especially rummy nose tetras have high mortality rate. what is the secret to success with these fish? my water is moderately hard, has a ph of ~6.5, and is at a temp of 82deg F. The poor little guys really looked stressed still after 2 days in the tank but they are eating.
 
ive had the same problem i bought 4 neon tetras and they were all dead with in the next two days there was no signs of disease or anything :dunno:
 
Since I haven't bought Neon for a long time. But I remember I bought some group of 6 or 8 like 2 years ago. Anyway, I don't think I lost any. So I try to come up some tips. Some may sounds like a common sense, forgive me.

First, get them from reliable source if that is possible. Like other aquarium hobbyst or breeder is good place. Perhaps, you can get from the aquarium society auction. Maybe next best place would be small well run local store instead of the big chain store. The reason for this is the big chain is all business and they TEND to have more staffs. And store employees turn around is higher than your local store. And SOMETIME I know more than the young high school looking clerk of the chain pet store. I'm sorry if I offend someone but generally speaking you know I am right. There is always exception but unlikely. And the big store tend to get the big shipment which could be good for the price. But I see lots of time, there are 100 neon in the tank and not all of them are healthy. I notice some have the famous white spots(ick) on their body. And there are some dead body if you check the tank often. And I don't think it is not a surprise that some "healthy looking one" is not actually healthy at all. When they are kept with sick or dead fish. Also, the big chain store tend to get Neon from mass produced Asian country. Which I have some suspicion of their hardiness. Do you know if you buy like 1000 of them from there, the each neon only cost like a nickle or a dime. That is why they can be replaced so easy. Even if they replace few times, they still make money. That is why they don't care or they expect some Neon to die in the tank of big chain pet store. And big store get shipment more often which could be good when you are looking for certain fish. But not so good, when you are looking for the fish that had some time to settle down after the long trip. Just like us, store experience that some fish die within the few days after the fish move. Some of them just can't make the trip or fail to adjust the new condition and water. So wait for at least a week after the shipment. By then, only stronger one left. And you do want the strong. Beside you don't want the fish die on you after you take them home even if they replace for free. You want the healthy happy fish in your tank, right.

And you know you should not get the fish from the tank with sick or dead fish in it.

Second, try to get the young and grow them up at your tank. I believe the younger fish do better adjust to the different tank than old. Beside, they are cheaper and it doesn't take long for the Neon to grow. Of course, you better make sure there are no big fish that have big enough mouth to eat small neon.

After all, most of the fish would eat the small fish that can fit to the mouth.

Third, go home as soon as possible after you got them fish. And acclimate your new fish slowly. Of course, you want to float the bag in the tank you intend to put in. Some recommend 15 mins but I would even go longer. That would balance the water temperature difference. But what about the difference in water chemical balance between the tank the fish used to and the tank you are about to put them in? You need to take little water from your tank water and put in the bag with the fish. Do this several times every 5~10 mintes. If the bag is small, you can put new water from your tank and take some out from the bag. Turkey baster is good for this. You can take your time. Longer the time and more time you change the water, better for your fish. It would be less shock and easier transition. Hence better survival rate. And finally, make sure to pour the bag of water and fish to the net so the water from their old tank would not get in to your tank. Since you do not want any paracite or disease.

If you follow these suggestion, I bet you lose less fish after you obtained. :D
 
I have trouble keeping a neon population in my tank as well. It's the only fish i have had die under my care.

I've probably purchased 15 fish total (all at different times) and yet the only 1 to survive is one that has been in my tank since the first group. The other day i bought 1 more neon (only on in the tank) and he did fine for two days munching on everything in sight. 2 days later dead.

I think i'm done with neons. I have 1 left and he's been in the tank for months. Any newcomers die after 2-3 days. It's weird.
 

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