Neon Tetra Dying? (dead)

[tashyluv]

Hi have 5, I got them yesterday, 1 seemed to go on its own a lot (dunno if its the same one)
Its breathing but upside down, what do I do?? The rest seem fine

Edit hes gone. He went very pale and yesterday he was on his own a lot. I was on the net could this be "neon tetra disease"
If so do I have to treat my tank??

 

[SJ2K]

Sounds like it could be neon disease, fortunatly I believe its only really transmitted by other fish eating the infected body. Unless anyone else says otherwise id just suggest doing a large water change (cleaning gravel very well) and keep an eye out for odd behavour.

 

[rowdyburns21]

Is your tank cycled? Or are these the first fish you added to the tank
Neon tetra disease is very rare, if your tank is cycled then it is more than likely too much stress doring moving.
How did you acclimatise the fish?

 

[WILDER]

Ntd is not rare my fish even got it and all died.
Being pale stress so need water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
How long did you climatise them for.
The signs the fish are showing can be ph shock.
What was the ph of the fish store to your tank.

pH Shock

As its name suggests this condition occurs when a fish is introduced to quickly into a new environment which has a very different pH from the one it came from, when the pH is adjusted to quickly and the fish have little or no time to adjust themselves, or when the pH is to far outside the fishes normal range.

It is very important that any change in water chemistry is made slowly and fish should never be exposed to changes of pH greater than 0.5 of one unit on the pH scale in either direction.

Avoidance is by far the best solution because in most cases the symptoms don't appear until the second or third day by which time the damage has been done and the fish will probably die.

A fish suffering from this condition will show all the typical signs of shock -

Lying on the bottom and paying little or no attention to its surroundings and ignoring potential threats.
It may even lay on its side or go upside down completely.
There could be other signs to, related to Acidosis and Alkalosis
Excessive mucus production.
Rapid breathing.
Swollen abdomen. (Alkalosis only).
If the condition is allowed to go on for one or two days then the chances of a successful remedy are greatly reduced because a lot of damage will have taken place. If the symptoms are spotted early enough there are a couple of things that will help.

Begin to return the pH to the original pH in steps of 0.4 of one unit on the pH scale and allow 3 hrs in between the adjustments. Make these adjustments until the pH is returned to a safe and satisfactory level.
Treat the tank with a broad spectrum anti-Bacteria/Fungus compound to prevent secondary infections of the Skin and Gills.
Prevention is easy. A successful treatment isn't!

 

[rowdyburns21]

Ntd is not rare my fish even got it and all died.
Being pale stress so need water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
How long did you climatise them for.
The signs the fish are showing can be ph shock.
What was the ph of the fish store to your tank.

pH Shock

As its name suggests this condition occurs when a fish is introduced to quickly into a new environment which has a very different pH from the one it came from, when the pH is adjusted to quickly and the fish have little or no time to adjust themselves, or when the pH is to far outside the fishes normal range.

It is very important that any change in water chemistry is made slowly and fish should never be exposed to changes of pH greater than 0.5 of one unit on the pH scale in either direction.

Avoidance is by far the best solution because in most cases the symptoms don't appear until the second or third day by which time the damage has been done and the fish will probably die.

A fish suffering from this condition will show all the typical signs of shock -

Lying on the bottom and paying little or no attention to its surroundings and ignoring potential threats.
It may even lay on its side or go upside down completely.
There could be other signs to, related to Acidosis and Alkalosis
Excessive mucus production.
Rapid breathing.
Swollen abdomen. (Alkalosis only).
If the condition is allowed to go on for one or two days then the chances of a successful remedy are greatly reduced because a lot of damage will have taken place. If the symptoms are spotted early enough there are a couple of things that will help.

Begin to return the pH to the original pH in steps of 0.4 of one unit on the pH scale and allow 3 hrs in between the adjustments. Make these adjustments until the pH is returned to a safe and satisfactory level.
Treat the tank with a broad spectrum anti-Bacteria/Fungus compound to prevent secondary infections of the Skin and Gills.
Prevention is easy. A successful treatment isn't!

I disagree, ive read case studies on how rare NTD actually is, its the fish equivalent to the plague so therefore if it was as widespread as people on this forum make out all the fish in the world would be dying, everyone on this forum jumps on the NTD bandwagon purely because we are talking about this fish.
Because you got NTD doesn't mean it isnt rare. Have you lost any other neons Tash?

 

[WILDER]

Never said it was ntd sounds more like ph shock to me.
Ntd is not rare it more common than you think.

 

[tashyluv]

Ph is about 6.8
I went to a pet store today and as soon as I described what the fish where like he said "Neon Tetra Disease"
I hope the others are ok

 

[SJ2K]

Dont leave any dead in the water long enough for others to eat it, just incase.

 

[WILDER]

Signs of ntd are.
Bleached out red stripe, or a milky cream look.
Black linning around the red area.
Yellow to brown on the blue area.
Cysts on the body that go to a point.
Leaving the shoal.
Being restless.
Swimming oddly.
Swin bladder and dropsy.
Popeye, and bent spines.

Some neon tetra don't climatise to well and go pale, I would look at the list of symtoms of ntd to make sure first.
I've had ntd and it wiped the whole tank out.
If that tetra did have ntd I would distroy the rest which I should of done in the first place, or look out for the signs in my list.

 

[kuraiza]

For new fish introduced to a new environment, I would go with stress and probably lack of proper biological filtration in the tank. It sounds like they died a bit too quickly to blame NTD.

I cycled my tank for a week before introducing new fish, but I have to admit i didn't cycle, re-cycle and re-cycle again and I lost 4 guppies in a couple of weeks.

However, to be on the safe side I would take another look at the fish shop and check out the health of all their fish. If their fish are good and healthy, I think you're entitled to ask for some replacement tetras for the ones you lost so quickly. My fish store gave me replacement guppies. All they asked was that I bring a sample of the tank water for them to test. When the readings all came out perfect, they replaced my dead fish.

For a new tank, you should choose the hardiest fish you can find. Phantom Tetras are very hardy and less prone to disease than neons. They're also entertaining when they engage in mock battles. They're bigger than neons, but they're good tank mates for other breeds of fish.

Good luck with your future fish.

 

[Adie]

Signs of ntd are.
Bleached out red stripe, or a milky cream look.
Black linning around the red area.
Yellow to brown on the blue area.
Cysts on the body that go to a point.
Leaving the shoal.
Being restless.
Swimming oddly.
Swin bladder and dropsy.
Popeye, and bent spines.

Some neon tetra don't climatise to well and go pale, I would look at the list of symtoms of ntd to make sure first.
I've had ntd and it wiped the whole tank out.
If that tetra did have ntd I would distroy the rest which I should of done in the first place, or look out for the signs in my list.