mythbuster please!

terri

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we've all heard it. "oh, they'll only get as big as their environment lets them." i just started another thread about buying a pacu, seems that may have been a mistake because they are known to get huge. but then, i got the same words of warning with my loaches about a year ago and they are great! doing well, no noticable growth spurts, rambunctious and eating well. is there any merit in the "grow to the environment" stand? :huh: or does it only apply to some fishes and not others? -_-
 
Like Dr. Holmes said, it may be technically true that *some* fish will grow to the size of their tank, but this is hazardous to their health, it WILL shorten their lifespan and it does not always work. You might compare it to feeding a child foods without as much calcium in an effort to keep them from growing tall. It might work, but the child will not be healthy, or happy.

As for your loaches, loaches are known for growing fairly slowly. It is generally best to arrange for their permanent housing from the beginning.
 
I did keep Arowana for a couple of years and heard the same tale about they only grow as big as their environment. HOWEVER, I also spent lots of time talking to a guy in Indonesia who bred Arowana and he gave me some advice which, when you think about it makes sense. Fish can only recognise the size of their environment by detecting the levels of their own hormone in the water around them. If the concentration of this hormone is high, they can recognise that they are in a small environment therefore the growth of the fish becomes stunted according the where they are housed. This changes when fish are housed artificially in a tank as the recommended weekly water changes dilute this hormone, giving the fish the impression that it is actually in an environment bigger than it really is - resulting in the fish continually growing! My Arowana was housed in a 6x2x2 tank which it rapidly dwarfed in about 2 years. I'm not too sure about Pacu, but I've seen them in a local tropical house and they are HUGE! If my experience is anything to go by, please leave these tank busters either to the wild or the zoo.

I've now taken a step back and reverted to a community tank - and I really enjoy it without feeling guilty about trying to keep a very big fish in an inadequate environment.

My advice would be think about it again if you have not already committed.
 
Loaches grow very slowly. I'm suspecting your loaches are clowns. It takes several years for them to reach full size. I am rpesonaly against keeping them in a small tank based on this but a lot of people still keep them and plan to 'upgrade' in future (which most neevr do and end up searching for a home that will take in a couple of 10" loaches). Pacus, on the other hand, grow very quickly and grow larger than the loaches. If you don't have a 200 gallon tank, re-home it now, while it's still small, and your LFS can take it back.

As for stunting. There is no doubt that a form of 'stunting' exists in the wild which limmits the size to which fish can grow in crowded conditions. However, this is only a temporary measure for short periods of time. It is an adaptation meant to save fish' lives when conditions are less than dieal. It is not meant to be a long-term thing and is only slight in the wild. I have done a little research on stunting and it appears that the fish release some kind of growth inhibiting hormone and that's what limmits their growth. In a tank where you don't do water changes, this will probably limmit the fish' growth in a similar manner. However, it would probably be a lot more severe (not to mention all the side effects of not doing water changes!). Some people believe that when a fish is 'stunted', the organs inside continue to grow while the outside stops. You can obviously imagine what that would be like - suffering as the organs are crushed until the fish dies a slow, painful death. I have not found any actual evidence to support this idea. Still, there is no doubt that purposefuly stunting a fish is cruel and harmful. If you do stick to a good maintainance outine, there is absolutely nor eason for a fish' growth to be stunted - even in a very inadequately sized tank. It will eventualy out-grow its home.

I should add that what I've just typed is based on the research I have done on the internet. I have read a few papers about stunting in wild populations of various food fish species and obviously also from my own experiences and what I have heard from others. I may not be completely correct. Regardless, there is no doubt that you should provide a fish, of whatever species, with a tank large enough so that it can grow to its full potential, live a full life, thrive and prosper. Doing otherwise is, IMO, completely unfair for the fish and, in some cases, down right cruel. (Please don't misunderstand me. I do appreciate that some people don't realise the size fish get to or their requirements etc or that they are mis-lead by other people. That's fine as long as they are prepaired to do something about it once they've realised their mistake.)
 
Sorry for the double post - Cheshire Hawk kind of beat me to it.

Anyway, I wanted to add that this only applies to freshwater fish. Marine fish have apparently not evolved this hormonal stunting thing as the hormones would, obviously, be diluted in the ocean (plus there's no need for them in a body fo water so vast).
 
that's VERY interesting about the hormone thing, and it does make sense. yes, they are clown loaches and about a year and a half old~if they get too big i have a larger tank at home to take them to. as for the pacu, a response on my other thread tells me that a TRUE red belly will only get to about 8" yeah!! i can deal with that. my tanks are well maintained so natural stunting by concentration of hormones is not likely, i'm just gonna hope that the 8" is correct (my oscar is bigger than that) because i've really become attached to "paco" and dont want to return him to my lfs (wal mart! ugh!!). thank you for your insights! and now i have an intellegent response to "well, you know they only grow to the size of their environment..." :cool:
 
i posted a thread like this a while ago and the result i concluded was that the fishes body will grow to the size of the aquarium but their internal organs will continue to grow and expand putting the fish in a lot of trouble.
 
A 'true read belly'? Are you sure that doesn't reffer to the piranha?
 

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