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Alia

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Well, now I'm all registered (see introduction in NewbieForum) I can talk about my aquaria. I had one, a ten, but needed to move it. Inhabitants were down to a peppered cory, a bronze cory, and two black skirts. Decided to set up a new, bigger tank. This was all early in March. Used filter media and water from the old tank to seed the new tank (a 28 gal bow front - very cool, but on the tall side -- not the best for fishies). Never had a nitrite or ammonia spike that my tests could detect, although I was not specifically testing for nitrite initially - I have a three stage nitrate kit. I have since bought tabs but don't have the color key, so I only know that nitrite is very low, barely pink.
Anywho, I do partial water changes (2-5gal?) about twice a week and my nitrates have been pretty steady in the 12.5 (low) to 25 (high) range. They seem to be getting lower as time goes by. Btw, I think my pH is around 7.6. My test stops at 7.5, so it's hard to tell for sure. The ammonia is always zero, so I've got that going for me. I realize I could use some new, less general tests, but my wallet needs a little rest. :)
At first, I bought four cherry barbs for the new tank. They were teeny, like neons, and they did okay. Later, I put my bs tetras and the corys in because I needed to move the other tank and wanted to clean it before I set it up again (ugf). Everyone seemed great for a week or two, then a cherry barb just vanished. My bigger tetra seemed suspiciously plump. :no: After that, the barbs started hiding all the time. I thought they were getting eaten! So after I set the 10 gal back up, I moved them to it. One died on the spot, from stress, I think. The other two hid out for a couple of days, but now they are fine. ;)
Meanwhile, I added two more bs tetras to the tank. I tried them in the 10 gal first to see if they were healthy, then put them in with the others in the big tank. It was like long lost relatives reunited! So everybody was happy, except me. I wanted something colored to look at in my pretty new tank.
I was haunting the lfs(pl) and coming home and looking in books from the library, surfing the net, trying to figure out what fish might work for me, and with my other fish.
I thought cichlids were awesome, but I wasn't prepared to dedicate my tank to them or change my water conditions or move one to another tank if it became too aggressive. I loved a blue ram one lfs had, but it's special needs deterred me. Weeks ago, I fell in love with these "cinnamon" dwarf gouramis (I'm certain they are a red-orange version of honey gouramis) at the lfs and visited them many times. I also spent a great deal of time at another lfs watching a tank full of young kribensis, and researching that remarkable fish. I haven't entirely decided against them, for my 10 gal, but I finally bought 4 of the gouramis for the 28 gal. These fish are amazingly beautiful. I have always loved gouramis - they are so elegant and move with such grace. They even eat daintily!
Well, the bullies were not thrilled to share their space with a species their own size, but they still come up to eat as aggressively as ever, so I think they will learn to live with the newcomers. The corys are always great.
I'm watching the water closely. 4 fish are a lot to add at once, but I wanted to have a group that were tankmates already and I couldn't depend on that if I bought 2 at a time. I am well under the inch per gallon rule of thumb, but these are not slim bodied fishes, so I know I am playing with fire.
Alright, I know how long this is, I'll shut up for a while. :D
 
:eek: :hyper: I'm posting here so I can come back to read some more later, got to go off to do some work now and theres no way I can read it all!! Looks to be a good story though :) I skim read it and didn't see any questions but if there are some I or someone else is sure to answer them later, as already said - welcome to the forum :)
 
Well, yes, it does, as a matter of fact (continue). You see, I also bought this crab because I was under the impression (from talking to someone at another fs) that these crabs were happy in an aquarium and I thought the kids would get a kick out of it. It is a fiddler crab, a female, but they called it a "mini-crab" (is that just a marketing term, or what?). Naturally, after I get the thing home and settled into my 10 g, I read a post about crabs and there is a link and it turns out these guys need to get out of the water (and are actually pretty good at it), and they need salt, and they need more than just scraps that the other fish didn't catch, etc.

Now what, you ask? My little crab already had herself at the very top of the tank, clinging for dear life to the top of the heater, and in my 10 there is no way I can have nothing within 4" of the bottom (ugf + heater) and no way I can prevent her getting out the top (open spaces). So, to her great chagrin, I find myself coaxing her into a container and moving her to my 28 g. That won't do, of course, because -- although she cannot escape, she also cannot get out into the air, which she obviously wants to do.
I am writing an e-mail to my friend complaining that I cannot put salt in with my corys and so on and I don't want to lower the water in either tank (can't, really, especially in the 10), so what will I do for this poor miserable crab.

Then I remember my little 2 gallon tank I bought to use for sick fish and ended up keeping supplies in. It's got a glass lid, so no escaping. No heater and no air for now(I'm thinking air stone), and of course it isn't cycled, but I will put water in from the other tank and just add salt (later, if she survives, I'll get her some instant ocean. She hid under this fallen log thing I had in the other tank, and the fish didn't give a rip about it, so I gave it to her. If I lower the water a couple of inches, the top of it just sticks out. After she finished freaking, she climbed right up. It's pretty comical when her little eyeballs on these little stems are all that is sticking out of the water, seeing if the coast is clear. This is the best that I can do for her right now. We'll see how it goes.

As for the other fish, I moved one cory to the 10 after putting the crab in so as to ease the load somewhat waste-wise. I was going to move them both, but that bronze cory is a rascal and he is fast. I didn't want him to have a heart attack, so I left him in. At least he is smaller. I have to tell you what my peppered cory did, though, when I was after him. He hid behind a plant that was right next to the glass, but it was a narrow plant, so he went completely vertical so none of him would show. I thought that was pretty darn clever.

In other news . . . the black skirts are still acting wary, but not missing the dinner bell at all. The gouramis munched up all the flakes they could get, then I found them all in a huddle around the sinking wafer I dropped for the cory. Meanwhile, they won't let the cory near it! They're actually ripping hunks off and taking it with them! I've never had any other fishes show much interest in my cory food before, so I'll have to figure out how to slip him something behind their backs.

I love these gouramis, though, they are just the bomb. I haven't had fish as cool as them in a really long time. I read that honeys are shy, too, and these guys are not shy at all. They are flambuoyant and fun.

Okay, kids, story time's over! :nod: Off to bed! More fishies tomorrow!
 
Gasp!.......Gasp!!! :D
After reading all that which must have taken you an age to write, I conclude that you are an experienced...ish, fishkeeper and enjoy....nay....enthuse about your hobby. You don't tell us where you're from. Are you by any chance related to Alien Anna? She writes in a similar fashion as you. It is very interesting. I don't know if you need encouragement, but do go on....................
 
:wub: Bless your heart, Dragon, I love to write -- and I love writing most about the things I love, aka gardening, fishes, my scottie dogs, my cat Dickens, and so on. I love my loved ones, too, but they love their privacy, so alas, I rarely write about them publicly. This post, however, will be short (by my standard) since I am procrastinating some unlovely paperwork that truly must be done today.

I had to thank you, however, for your effusive praise, and to tell you that my crab has molted!! She darts away if you get anywhere near her little tank, and she hasn't eaten a thing that I can see (she has a sinking wafer and some zuchinni), but she is still alive and has left her old shell behind. Later today I will try changing her water with some that I've put Instant Ocean in. I want her new shell to get nice and strong.

That's all for now. Everyone else is doing fine. So far, so good. Later!
 
That was short by your standards Alia, nevertheless informative. Pleased to hear that the crab is settling in if that's what you can call it. Also pleased to hear that you and yours are fine. Paperwork, ahhhhh :no: shouldn't have any-especially in a "paperless" age of technology. We all have our crosses to bear.
I like dogs and gardening so at least we have something in common. Will look forward to talking to you later. :nod:
 
Hi again. I don't have a lot to say tonight either, since I spent pretty much the whole day doing my paperwork. :( I did do a water-change on the big aquarium to keep things comfy, and of course I fed everyone. The crab is still not eating, but people were around all day, so maybe she'll eat tonight while it is quiet. I hope so. I'd hate to see her die of starvation when we've come this far. :(
I don't know Alien Annie (hope I got that right). I'm from Illinois, USA. I guess you hit the nail on the head -- I am experienced . . .ish. I had a tank in high school, but after they all died, which did at least take some time, I quit keeping fish. I started an aquarium again some years ago "for the kids" (not really, but I thought so at the time). They don't take a big interest in it, but I have fun. My ten gallon was kind of a bore, though, I wanted something bigger. That is why I finally invested in the 28. Now I can really enjoy it. Of course, when planting season starts (which is in May here), I will have to divide what little spare time I have between the two hobbies, but hopefully things will have gotten themselves worked out by then and I can stick to the basics.;)
Got to go, duty calls. :)
 
Hey Dragon........

Didn't think I would let you hog the thread...did you???

Wow....I'm glad I caught up on this befor eit got to long.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

As Dragon said please go on..............nothing like having a member who enjoys the hobby so much and like to talk about it....

Some of us (especially myself) every now and again get a little "stale" due to having nothing "new" to say so it's always nice when there's freah post to read.

CM
 
Well, I don't mind being the entertainment :lol: :lol: but there's not much going on with these fishes today. I had to completely change Crabby's water :crazy: (remember, there's no filtration, she's not eating, and she molted). I couldn't find her at first, and I couldn't imagine how she had gotten out, but she was inside the log -- way inside. She did move a little, so I know she's alive, but I don't know how much longer she can stay that way. I dropped an airstone into her tank, since she seems to be spending most of her time in the water. I'd like to find something she'll eat, but I don't want to keep polluting her water unnecessarily. If she's just stressed by the new environment, that might keep her from eating, don't you think? :/

You know, I do have a question, come to think of it. I bought an awesome fish bowl for my desk, and the obvious choice for it would be a betta, but I read in a fish faq somewhere that bettas really like a little heat and that a Paradise Fish would be a better choice for an unheated bowl. Then, of course, I read somewhere else that 10 gal was minimum stomping grounds for a Paradise Fish. Anyone have any ideas about that? It is a one gallon bowl, completely full. :/

Now, Dragon, that garden of yours sounds like a vegetable garden. Is it? I've never had a vegetable garden. It isn't that I don't like vegetables, we just have never had the right yard for one. It would have to be small in any case, since I don't can. If it isn't a vegetable garden, wow!! :hyper: :hyper:
My last house, which we still own but now rent out, had perennial beds sculpted all around the house and yard. The former owner(s) had started it and we expanded on what they had done. I cannot begin to count the hours we spent out there last year. And our new yard needs absolutely everything. The folks lived here 30 years, and I swear they never did anything but mow the grass. We want to use the exhaustive supply of perennials at the other house to fill the as-yet unconstructed beds at this house, eventually.

Boy, I hope I don't get reprimanded or something for talking about my garden. Sorry if that annoyed anyone.:flowers:

Gotta go now and test some water before I go to bed. G'night! :zz
 
Alia, Good to see another person with the gift to gab. I myself get a little long winded and I am real bad about not being able to shut up. Dont believe me ask Chiclidmaster........lol I have talked his ears off before and I am sure he was saying does this guy ever shut up....heheh
Now as far as your fish, I always try to follow one rule when it comes to tetras and barbs. Always have at least 5 of them. These both are agressive fish and the larger numbers seem to help cut back on their attacking others as they will go after each other.
With aquatic crabs dont they eat and scavenge after the lights go out. I dont recall where I heard that but I am sure I did somewhere. If thats the case the he may very well be eating after you go to bed and could be alright. I had one a few years back and it was a non stop fight to keep it in the tank. I seen mine one time climb to the top of a plant and swim from there to the intake tube of my filter. Needless to say I was all the time finding him and sticking his butt back in the tank.
All this talk of vegitable gardens has got me thinking of home grown tomatoes. If I had the place to grow them I would have the best water to use.....Heck I may talk my landlord into letting me have a few potted plants at the apartments......lol
Well once again I find myself writing a novel so I will end now.

HTH

Les
 
Thanks for the feedback, Les. The mix in my bigger tank is working out pretty well, I think. The gouramis and b.s. tetras intermingle now, and although their eating styles are far different (I think of the 'more refined' gouramis as being apalled at the barbarian snatch-and-grab technique of the tetras), I just keep sprinkling food in until about five minutes are up. I always see the g.s down at the bottom later on, helping the bronze cory eat his sinking food, but he seems like he's getting by. I started putting two in so he had a fighting chance. The cory is lonely for his bud, the peppered cory, but I don't dare put a meaty fish like that back in before my nitrate readings adjust to the new fishes.

Your point about the tetras is well taken, and I will consider adding another black skirt if there are any problems, but they have never bothered the cories and they don't challenge the gouramis, so they only have each other to chase anyway. The cherry barbs in the 10 are fine for now. I don't know whether I will put them back in the big tank later or not, or whether I will get more of them. I will wait and see what kind of fish they turn out to be. I really think I want to put my cory back in the big tank as soon as is practical water wise, and add a partner for each of them. I saw some 'elegans' cories today, and I wouldn't mind a pair of those. They're pretty. Are six cory cats too much for a 28 g, do you think? It's not crowded (yet) but only a few of these fish are full grown. They'd have the bottom pretty much to themselves.

The thing is that I am still thinking of trying a pair of kribs in my 10, and I'm afraid the cories will get the worst of that arrangement, especially if the kribs mate and spawn, so 'Pepper' has to come back to the big tank before then. They have a tank full (of kribs) at my lfs, but they seem to be all males. There is not a red tummy in the bunch, and all of the dorsal fins are very pointed. The diamond shape of the tails isn't pronounced , but it is implied. One or two are getting bigger and more beautiful. Some are still very small and others are the size of small Danios.

My crab is hanging in there! Today I saw her out of the log for the first time this week. I dropped a couple of freeze dried bloodworms in there for her. She's got to be hungry! I've seen a couple of terrarium setups now at pet stores other than the one I bought her from, and I am sure that is the best thing for crabs. I think my 2 gallon is a little small for it, however. Maybe I need to get a 20g for my kribs and turn the 10 into a brackish terrarium for my crab (and get her a mate)?? Well, that's jumping the gun -- got to get her to eat, first. :D

Gosh, it's late, I gotta get some sleep. Later! :look:
 

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