Mwwwwwwahahah! Finally!

[fawnmodel]

Oh I am so excited about this

After alot of theorizing and pondering, testing and trials...

I had great success with this CT pair. Koosh (fuschia cambo CT female) x Spotlight (Red butterfly CT male).

sorry for poor pics: male http/www.fishforums.net/uploads/post-14226-1143052517.jpg
female: http/www.fishforums.net/uploads/post-14226-1138228854.jpg

Second time was the charm - first time he ate the babies when they started to freeswim

I changed alot of things this time around, they did a GREAT job - mom was so full of eggs, and he was so dedicated he covered the ENTIRE top of a 10 gal with bubblenest! It was insane!

So, removed pops today, looks like at least 100 babies. Again, the CT babies seem stronger than HM's. I do from some testing last time know they grew 3x as fast, and ate Hm's too

I'll try to get you some recent fry pics soon, been so crazy busy! I'll dig up pics of mom and dad for you right now too.

 

[splashluff]

Wow, Spotlight is stunning! You will get some awesome colors in their babies. Good luck! Our babies are almost the same age =0)

 

[fawnmodel]

Thanks! I wish I had a better pic of him, a still one (I'll have to try later) - he darts around constantly he is a dedicated 'patroller', so he usually is in his own 7 gal. He has alot of natural instinct) I give him all kinds of dumb names...lol.

One thing I am curious to find out is how the irid factor will show on their fry - I believe irid is dominant, and because he is not and she is quite... and cambo is supposed to be dominant too..... should be an interesting outcome!

 

[Joby]

Sounds a nice spawn

I always though that Cambodian is actually recessive

 

[fawnmodel]

Its strange, cambodian is actually considered a color, rather than a pattern - and in many cases it lies in two genes which is why it will show dominance. It is closely related to albinism, and cambos with red eyes are possible as a result.

Cambodians can have color, or a complete lack of color called a white cambodian. Resulting spawns ferom two cambos can be incosistent due to the involvement of more than one gene. Generally, single gene cambo is recessive to WILD type. Crossing two can sometimes lead to a return to wild-type coloration as the genes may be on opposing alleles.

And, BF can be dominant over a cambo (again, now calling it a pattern instead of a color, with the idea that is is involving more than one gene, one dominant and one recessive)...but incompletely. Because my male is an 'extended' red BF, he is likely dominant over the cambo...but we will have to see!

Confusing.. hey!

 

[TammyLiz]

Actually you explained it well enough that its not confusing. I am always one to want more details, anything on what you know and your logic behind it is VERY interesting to me.

I'd like to ask, do you know this from experience of what tends to come from certain spawns, or is this based on calculation. If calculation, then what, if experience, can you give other examples? Maybe old threads I can look at? Be it your experience or others, it doesn't matter to me. Information on betta genetics has been hard to come by for me.

 

[Joby]

Very interesting, have tried to understand the genetics but they do get me flustered at time

 

[fawnmodel]

Hi:

what I wrote comes to me from the following book:

Bettas - Publishd by Barrons, written by Robert J Goldstein PhD

Its a really comprehensive book, with a nice gene section.

I also seek out info on genes from other well-established breeders...but really prefer to get genetic facts from published resources.

 

[l.michelle]

Wow, really nice pair!

The girl looks like one of my girls, except mine is a little lighter on the fins.

I hope it turns out great!!

 

[fawnmodel]

thanks , here is a pic of babeeees...sorry took the pic with the kids play camera)Sorry the pic shrunk so small, I'lltake a new one with the real cam tomorrow, oops!

 

[TammyLiz]

Hard to spot, but I think I might have made out some light little bodies.
Now you're probably tell me they're dark bodied and I'll feed dumb.

 

[Synirr]

Looks like there are a ton of them!

 

[fawnmodel]

Wow, I have to say..I think there is over 150, and that is a very conservative estimate They are literally EVERYWHERE in the tank...and I have not seen one dead fry! They seem very strong. I turned the sponge filter on today...I' take some pics this evening of the little shiny bubble-babies.

 

[Joby]

Oooh nice little haul there