Mouth Rot?

[ostrow]

Hi all. Bought a Goyder River Rainbow today. It is about 3" right now. Brightly colored.

Been in the tank about 6 hrs. I got a real close look at the glass and there is a tiny tiny patch of white on his lips. Looked at my boesemani nad turquoise. They sort of kind of maybe, maybe not have the same. Otherwise, no signs of any problem on any of them.

Question: is this mouth fungus? If so what if anything can I do? Others in tank: 3 clown loaches, 6 cardinal tetras, 3 each of albino pristellas and green fire tetras, 1 Spotted alvino pleco, 1 otto, 1 clown pleco, 1 blue gourami.

30G tank (I know, lots of fish but I water change and vac weekly, parameters all ideal on ammo, nitrite/ate, pH, temp 80.)

Thanks for advice ... I've never run into fungus problems and maybe this is nothing to worry about.

 

[LesGerber]

From my past experiences mouth rot is where the mouth of the fish literally falls off and the fish dies, When I found it in my tank I quarentined this fish right away and he was gone before the night was over.....to say the least the fish chain heard all bout it...
I am not real sure what will treat it
Here is some real fast stuff I just found on it


Mouth Fungus

Symptoms: White cottony patches around the mouth.

Mouth Fungus is so called because it looks like a fungus attack of the mouth. It is actually caused from the bacterium Chondrococcus columnaris. It shows up first as a gray or white line around the lips and later as short tufts sprouting from the mouth like fungus. The toxins produced and the inability to eat will be fatal unless treated at an early stage.
Penicillin at 10,000 units per liter is a very effective treatment. Treat with a second dose in two days. Or use chloromycetin, 10 to 20 mg per liter, with a second dose in two days.



Mouthrot / Mouth Fungus
This is caused by a bacterium, Flexibacter Columnaris. The symptoms of this disease are typically erosion of the mouth, commonly associated with a fungal like growth, which is in fact colonies of the column-like bacteria. Like finrot, mouthrot is associated with poor water conditions which must be corrected. Interpet Fungus Finrot No.8 is reported to work



Sorry I dont have any more on this, hope it all goes well

Les

 

[bigfish]

King British Fungus and Fin rot combined with some melafix should do the trick, catch it early enough then the success rates are far higher, otherwise you could lose all your stock in a matter of days. They will refuse food when it's gone too far then a painful death.

Due to poor water conditions or cramped accomendation.

I unfortunely lossed 50% of my fish twice over!!!! very heart breaking.

I would advise 2 water changes a week and gravel vac every three days, cut down on the amount of food too.

Goodluck

 

[ostrow]

I'm in US ... need US med suggestions... thx

 

[bigfish]

check out www.fishdoc.com list diseases and medications and i'm sure they got US based meds. Let me know how it goes.

 

[ostrow]

I think we are moving way, way too fast.

The bottom lip only on one fish only, has tiny (1mm?) white/grey little fuzz. Could just be the lip, could be hair.

I don't want to medicate the tank with just this.

The advice I really am looking for is:
1) what will this look like in 2 days if it IS mouth fungus and/or mouth rot

2) what meds are best in the US to treat either/both without harming the other tankmates (loaches, tetras, plecos)?

Thanks!

 

[reg2k2]

I once posted something very similar. A new addition had a white spot on his mouth, couldn't tell if it was just a scrape or what. I was told 'better safe than sorry'. So, I would have to say the same....prob. a good idea to put him/them in quarantine...unless, of course, you think the whole tank's affected. And, Os....speaking of quarantine....

 

[Jamnog]

I would isolate it if you are in any doudbt if it turns out to be something more then you will be glad you did. if it turns out to be nothing then there is no harm done.

 

[ostrow]

hey reg...

 

[ostrow]

It seems hard to konw if fungus or bacteria. Another online buddy suggested Fungus Eliminator by Jungle Labs, apparently a gentle med that has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial. I have no idea where to find the stuff but I'm gonna try tomorrow.

Les...whatcha doing 5/27-29. Wife and kid travelling...if you want to come see the setup and I can show you that Living Sea store (they aren't the ones who sold me the Goyder Rainbow...I'm an idiot for buying from anyone but Living Sea but can't get over the impatience. Anyway, it's a beautiful fish ... if it survives...)

 

[LesGerber]

Joel,
Im sure you new addition will be fine, you are keeping a close eye on things and I am sure that you wont let it get to far.
As far as the 27th thats not going to be a good week, we are going to be in the middle of moving and getting all my tanks set up. I appreciate the offer and if we wasnt going through all that we would love to.

I would think that the living aquarium should have something to help you out as far as meds......and dont feel bad about buying from others, I still catch myself doing it from time to time

Thanks again


Les

 

[reg2k2]

...hadda be said...

Since ur planning on treating the whole tank, and getting the treatment soon, I suppose it'll be ok.
I had thought I might be treating for columnaris and ran quite a search on it. Now I was looking for something in particular, but I know I ran across descriptions of it being highly contagious.
So if you don't get ur med's, I'd be very careful w/ this one, in case it is that and not just fungus.

Good luck!

 

[ostrow]

Got the Jungle Fungus Eliminator. Says 1 dose'll do it so here goes...

 

[bigfish]

Good luck and i keep my fingers crossed for you.

 

[Waterloo Kid]

I've had a very similar problem with my rainbow fish. Within a day of purchasing my M. Praecox (dwarf neon rainbow fish) a number of them had fungus like growths on their mouths. Some of the growths disappeared within a week but one fish still has the growth, a white 2mm lump on its lower lip. If it had been fungus then I can't see that any of my fish would have survived. It seems that the fish damaged their mouths during transit from the lfs to their new home. These rainbow fish are very fast and very skittish which led to them ramming the side of the transport bag (and to a lesser extent the main tank). This caused superficial damage to the mouth parts which manifested itself as the small white lumps. I did not treat my fish with any medications, I just kept an eye out for a worsening in condition and any signs of spreading. Uncontrolled fungus will spread across the infected fish quite rapidly. The lumps my fish had all stayed small.
Hope that helps.

WK