Mollies With Tapeworms

TMAllen

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I've owned fresh water tanks off and on since 1965 and this year, since January, I've seen things that I have never seen before. The latest is a tapeworm infection in one of my black mollies. I've got Prazipro going in there now. But, I worry about the proglottids that are, no doubt, collecting in the substrate. I'm treating the tank and I'm hoping that the worm disappears from the fish. The deal is this: those eggs are probably sitting in the substrate in the tank and I'm not sure that Prazipro will 'kill' those eggs. I am expecting to remove the mollies to a holding tank that I have after the infection seems to be gone (I no longer see a string of proglottids dangling from the anus of the fish) and then worry about any tapeworm eggs and how to dispose of them. I've never seen these before so I'm not sure how to dispose of them in such a way that they don't come back. Has anyone here had experience with this? How did you treat the tank after the treatment to cure the fish and did you do anything special to the substrate to inactivate those tapeworm egg sacs? Thank you for anything that any of you can offer by way of advice.
 
When treating fish for intestinal worms (tapeworm and thread worm), you treat once a week for 3-4 weeks. This kills any worms in the fish and any that hatch from egg in the fish.

You do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate 24-48 hours after treatment.

Theoretically any segments that come off tapeworm and land in the substrate should be killed by the Praziquantel.
 
Theoretically any segments that come off tapeworm and land in the substrate should be killed by the Praziquantel.
'Theoretically'? This is what I worry about, and why I posted my question. The biggest headache I can think of is recurring taenia infections because those proglottids can survive quite a bit. :rolleyes: Have you ever had experience with this? Did Prazipro do the job on stray egg sacs in your experience?
 
Tapeworm infections in fish normally come from live food like Daphnia that have picked up worm eggs from water birds. Once the fish are free of tapeworm, they don't normally get it again unless they are fed contaminated food.

Threadworms are a little different and can spread from tank to tank and can be introduced into aquariums with infected fish. However, if you treat them 3 or 4 times (1 week apart), you normally get rid of them completely.
 
Tapeworm infections in fish normally come from live food like Daphnia that have picked up worm eggs from water birds. Once the fish are free of tapeworm, they don't normally get it again unless they are fed contaminated food.

Threadworms are a little different and can spread from tank to tank and can be introduced into aquariums with infected fish. However, if you treat them 3 or 4 times (1 week apart), you normally get rid of them completely.
I'm certain that these are tape worms. I remember feeling my skin crawl when I saw pictures of those wee beasties in a microbiology text...I've had these fish for about 7 weeks and they've had several problems. The word, locally, is that there was a supplier who had sick fish that got passed on to several retailers in town including the one from which I got these guys. From what I can gather, these things can take up to 12 weeks to express themselves. I have fed them blood worms and spirulina shrimp so I guess that the shrimp might be suspect except that I've got 3 tanks and all of them get these treats. So far, it's only the black molly. I'm thinking, in the absence of any other taenia infections in any other fish, these fish might have been harboring these stinky little guys when I bought them. Thanks for your input.
 
Just about all common livebearers like mollies have worms when they come from Asia. It's where they keep them and grow them that causes the problem, namely sewerage ponds full of daphnia.
 
I'm certain that these are tape worms. I remember feeling my skin crawl when I saw pictures of those wee beasties in a microbiology text...I've had these fish for about 7 weeks and they've had several problems. The word, locally, is that there was a supplier who had sick fish that got passed on to several retailers in town including the one from which I got these guys. From what I can gather, these things can take up to 12 weeks to express themselves. I have fed them blood worms and spirulina shrimp so I guess that the shrimp might be suspect except that I've got 3 tanks and all of them get these treats. So far, it's only the black molly. I'm thinking, in the absence of any other taenia infections in any other fish, these fish might have been harboring these stinky little guys when I bought them. Thanks for your input.
Sorry to hear about your supplier issues!
I've had similar problems with livebearers carrying worm burdens, only later discovering how often livebearers farmed abroad are carrying various varieties of worms. My issue was camallanus worms though.

I'm sorry I can't be much help, but I'd like to ask if you'd update us as things go on. It could be really useful for others to find out how you resolved the issue when they're googling the same symptoms, you know?

I hope your tanks are worm free soon!
 
Just about all common livebearers like mollies have worms when they come from Asia. It's where they keep them and grow them that causes the problem, namely sewerage ponds full of daphnia.
Sorry...I wasn't going to bother you again, but you've let me feel better about feeding them this treat, the spirulina brine shrimp! If my fish could talk...:banana3:
 
Sorry to hear about your supplier issues!
I've had similar problems with livebearers carrying worm burdens, only later discovering how often livebearers farmed abroad are carrying various varieties of worms. My issue was camallanus worms though.

I'm sorry I can't be much help, but I'd like to ask if you'd update us as things go on. It could be really useful for others to find out how you resolved the issue when they're googling the same symptoms, you know?

I hope your tanks are worm free soon!
Hi and thank you. Yeah...I've had a 50 year history with fresh water tanks and since January, I've had more issues than I like to think about...I'm in Spokane, WA, and I also belong to a facebook group, Spokane Fish Group - or something like that. But, someone there thought that what I had the second time that I had something in that tank, was Epistylis. We had all bought fish from a supplier that had tons of sick fish. The first time that I realized that something was wrong was about 7 days after I introduced these mollies, two black, two dalmation, into a brand new tank that had cycled after 4 weeks and looked beautiful. Things were good, so good that I introduced a guppy that I'd had in a smaller tank, a female that had a couple of litters of fry while I had her and was getting pestered a bit too much from the other fish in the tank, into this tank. This was good for about 5 days. I really didn't notice anything odd until the after 13 days. I left that afternoon - they all ate well - and came back again at about 7 pm. The female guppy and one of the dalmation mollies were dead on the bottom of the tank. In the past, when I've seen issues, I've recognized them. 'Someone's fin is starting to go bald...someone or several someones have flakes of salt on them...' you know. So, having two dead fish in a tank was a shock. I would've blamed the guppy that I'd recently introduced except for that I'd had her for about 6 months and no one in the previous tank that she'd been in ever got sick much less died. I removed the fish and thought about it. The next morning, there was ich all over this tank and its inhabitants. Ich is rarely fatal and only fish with other issues succumb to it. So, I treated the tank, concurrently (thinking that there might be some bacterial issue) with Malachite Green and Erythromycin. When that treatment was done, the fish looked wonderful. For, about a week. Then, the white patches started showing up on both of the black mollies. Are you still with me? ? I have a hospital tank. It's not a quarantine tank because it's only 3 gallons. But, if a fish is sick, I can transfer it to this tank and treat it before the entire tank gets sick. So, first one black molly and then the other, I put them in this hospital and treated them with nitrofurazone, assuming that it was fungal. It worked. And, for the next several weeks, I had beautiful black velvet mollies. The remaining dalmation molly was fine all along. Yesterday, I see something trailing out of the anus of one of the black mollies and I see more gray patches and white dots on these two fish, AND the white dots are also on the remaining dalmation molly. Right now, I've got Prazinquatel in the tank and am holding off on more malachite green. The mollies, all of them, don't act like themselves. We'll see later when I feed them again tonight. On top of the apparent tape worm, the fish are again exhibitng more white grains on their surfaces. So, Ich...I think...I do know that this was a tape worm. I cleaned out the tank to about 50-75 % this afternoon and syphoned out the string of something that I was on one of the black molly's, it was a string of proglottids, little packets of tape worm seeds. It broke apart easily and was probably all shot to daylights from the Prazipro that I gave the tank yesterday afternoon. So, you might want to take this comment in pieces. A little here, a little there. But, I'm really sorry to hear about the camallanus worms. One of the members of this Spokane fish group had camallanus take out an entire tank.
 
Hi and thank you. Yeah...I've had a 50 year history with fresh water tanks and since January, I've had more issues than I like to think about...I'm in Spokane, WA, and I also belong to a facebook group, Spokane Fish Group - or something like that. But, someone there thought that what I had the second time that I had something in that tank, was Epistylis. We had all bought fish from a supplier that had tons of sick fish. The first time that I realized that something was wrong was about 7 days after I introduced these mollies, two black, two dalmation, into a brand new tank that had cycled after 4 weeks and looked beautiful. Things were good, so good that I introduced a guppy that I'd had in a smaller tank, a female that had a couple of litters of fry while I had her and was getting pestered a bit too much from the other fish in the tank, into this tank. This was good for about 5 days. I really didn't notice anything odd until the after 13 days. I left that afternoon - they all ate well - and came back again at about 7 pm. The female guppy and one of the dalmation mollies were dead on the bottom of the tank. In the past, when I've seen issues, I've recognized them. 'Someone's fin is starting to go bald...someone or several someones have flakes of salt on them...' you know. So, having two dead fish in a tank was a shock. I would've blamed the guppy that I'd recently introduced except for that I'd had her for about 6 months and no one in the previous tank that she'd been in ever got sick much less died. I removed the fish and thought about it. The next morning, there was ich all over this tank and its inhabitants. Ich is rarely fatal and only fish with other issues succumb to it. So, I treated the tank, concurrently (thinking that there might be some bacterial issue) with Malachite Green and Erythromycin. When that treatment was done, the fish looked wonderful. For, about a week. Then, the white patches started showing up on both of the black mollies. Are you still with me? ? I have a hospital tank. It's not a quarantine tank because it's only 3 gallons. But, if a fish is sick, I can transfer it to this tank and treat it before the entire tank gets sick. So, first one black molly and then the other, I put them in this hospital and treated them with nitrofurazone, assuming that it was fungal. It worked. And, for the next several weeks, I had beautiful black velvet mollies. The remaining dalmation molly was fine all along. Yesterday, I see something trailing out of the anus of one of the black mollies and I see more gray patches and white dots on these two fish, AND the white dots are also on the remaining dalmation molly. Right now, I've got Prazinquatel in the tank and am holding off on more malachite green. The mollies, all of them, don't act like themselves. We'll see later when I feed them again tonight. On top of the apparent tape worm, the fish are again exhibitng more white grains on their surfaces. So, Ich...I think...I do know that this was a tape worm. I cleaned out the tank to about 50-75 % this afternoon and syphoned out the string of something that I was on one of the black molly's, it was a string of proglottids, little packets of tape worm seeds. It broke apart easily and was probably all shot to daylights from the Prazipro that I gave the tank yesterday afternoon. So, you might want to take this comment in pieces. A little here, a little there. But, I'm really sorry to hear about the camallanus worms. One of the members of this Spokane fish group had camallanus take out an entire tank.
As I read this, I wonder if I kept exposing one layer of parasite/infection after another. As soon as I wiped out one problem, another had an opportunity to get a foot hold.
 
As I read this, I wonder if I kept exposing one layer of parasite/infection after another. As soon as I wiped out one problem, another had an opportunity to get a foot hold.
Oh man, what a nightmare! It sucks the fun out the hobby when you get hit by a succession of problems! It's good that you have a support network of other hobbyists. I know that having friends here helped me keep going when my hobby had become more of a chore and a nightmare, than a fun relaxing pastime! I suspect you're right. The worms would have been underlying, but healthy adults can carry a worm burden without showing any ill effects for months sometimes. They were hit by the first problem, stressed and weakened by the first issue and medications, vulnerable to the next problem, and so on. Cascading medical problems can happen with any creature, just ask anyone who has acquired a hospital infection like MRSA while they were recovering from something completely unrelated! A healthy individual might not have picked up the MRSA.

I was pretty lucky with the camallanus. I read many horror stories once I finally saw the tell-tale red worms. but I lost a few fish to it before I could diagnose what it was (I'm still a newbie to the hobby, less than two years in), and I lost quite a lot of guppy fry. It seemed to hit the youngsters that were 1-2 months old the hardest. I suspect the younger ones hadn't yet picked up the worms, adults were able to handle it for longer in time for treatment to work, but the 1-2 month olds had picked up the worms, but weren't yet large or strong enough to compete for nutrition against the worms, and died. But that's my amateur hypothesis based on losing the most fish from that age range.

Sadly, I think the medication might also have stunted the growth of some of the fry that were tiny when I wormed the tanks. I treated for both round and flatworms, in case. I didn't have much choice though, I had to treat since fish were dying.

I feel as though I've dealt with more than my fair share of problems since I started the hobby! Includingrecently a huge tank crash when my father decided to unplug the filter on his tank that I've sorta taken over/inherited (I care for my parents) without telling me, confusing me when fish started dying in big numbers! Grrr. But have persevered. I'm doing the best I can, so hopefully it was just bad luck combined with some beginner errors. The good has so far outweighed the bad, but I confess to contemplating tearing down all the tanks at times!
 
You mention on FB your molly has cotton mouth, any chance of a picture?

When you tret fish for intestinal worms, you treat them once a week for 3-4 weeks, and do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate 24-48 hours after treatment.
 
You mention on FB your molly has cotton mouth, any chance of a picture?

When you tret fish for intestinal worms, you treat them once a week for 3-4 weeks, and do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate 24-48 hours after treatment.
Yep - I gave the tank nitrofurazone last night and the cotton mouth seems to be subsidizing. I didn't want to throw everything (and the kitchen sink) into the tank because there is good bacteria in there as well and if that disappears, more problems will come up. I treated the tank once, so far, with Prazipro. I spotted the cotton mouth yesterday evening. These are black mollies and from what I've read, fungal infections are common with them but this seems like something way beyond just a fungal thing - I treated both black mollies oh, maybe about a month ago, for a fungal infection. I don't have a picture now...I could take one, maybe, if she cooperated, but the puffy white clouds around her mouth are starting to disappear because of the nitrofurazone. What? Do you have some ideas? Oh, I did do something between 50 and a 75% water change yesterday afternoon and I syphoned out the gravel before I put in the nitrofurazone. I'd like to do another 50 to 75% water change and another gravel syphon tomorrow, but the antifungal should sit in the tank longer. I'm still seeing proglottids floating around in the tank, not much but some. And these gals are eating better. I guess that's to be expected since some (hopefully ALL) of those tapeworms are being passed out of their bodies and leaving room for their stomachs. If you've got some ideas, please. I am all ears.
 
Oh...it seems as though the pictures that I posted on facebook didn't show up - I've got some pretty high privacy walls set up there. The pics that I had were of a trail of ropey white proglottids dangling from the anus of the dalmation molly, and a box of latex gloves.
 

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