Mass suicide or did we do something wrong ??

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We are definitely novice fishkeepers, but thought we had a stable tank. Believe it is a 55 gallon and had only a handful of swords in it, plus 2 plecs.

About three weeks ago, I changed the filter package (after washing it, of course). Then about 2 weeks ago, we added perhaps another 4 or 5 fish--swords I believe. Actually had 2 babies as well.

3 days ago we had a dead fish in the morning, but thought little of it. But in the past two days, all have died except the plecs. :(

The only things done to the tank were the addition of those few fish, changing the filter and refilling the tank with tap water (no, we didn't leave the water set or add any conditioners to it :no: )

We have no water quality testing equipment, so I can't tell you what the PH, etc. is.

Only signs are that the dead fish have bubbles around their bodies.

Any ideas of what may have happened and how we can get past this and restock the tank ? We really miss our friends, exspecially the babies.

Help ???? :blink:
 
Hi Deb. Welcome to the forum. :)

How long has your tank been running? Do you normally add water directly from your tank without dechlorinating it first? Some areas add chloramine to the tap water, which is totally deadly to fish. When you say you re-filled the tank, do you mean replaced evaporated water or did a water change, and if you did a water change, how much of it did you replace at once?

Sorry for all the questions, but it's the only way to help you figure out what's happening in your tank.

Also, when you say there were bubbles around the fish, do you mean air bubbles in the water or some sort of 'bubbles' on the actual fish?
 
:no: You didn't do a total water change did you?

One bit of advice though, never change your filter and do a water change one the same day. It totally wipes your bacterial colonies that you need to keep a balanced ecosystem.

Secondly, only siphon 25% of your water and replace it with water treated with a dechlorinating agent. ie.Chlor-Out When you do this don't stir up your gravel too much, as this is also a home for beneficial bacteria.

HTH

Also, as AquaNut asked, How long has your tank been set up?

And, very important!!!! You need to get a test kit or strips that test ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and at least pH.
 
deb4403 said:
(no, we didn't leave the water set or add any conditioners to it :no: )
Thats the one, you have to add a dechlorinater to tapwater before adding it to the tank, the concentrations of chlorine/chloramine vary depending on when the water company last flushed the system through with them. Looks like you got unlucky :X
These chemicals are deadly to aquatic life and would have wiped out your fish and bacteria in the filter, the plecs probably only survived because they can breath atmospheric air.
 
deb4403 said:
We are definitely novice fishkeepers, but thought we had a stable tank. Believe it is a 55 gallon and had only a handful of swords in it, plus 2 plecs.

About three weeks ago, I changed the filter package (after washing it, of course). Then about 2 weeks ago, we added perhaps another 4 or 5 fish--swords I believe. Actually had 2 babies as well.

3 days ago we had a dead fish in the morning, but thought little of it. But in the past two days, all have died except the plecs. :(

The only things done to the tank were the addition of those few fish, changing the filter and refilling the tank with tap water (no, we didn't leave the water set or add any conditioners to it :no: )

We have no water quality testing equipment, so I can't tell you what the PH, etc. is.

Only signs are that the dead fish have bubbles around their bodies.

Any ideas of what may have happened and how we can get past this and restock the tank ? We really miss our friends, exspecially the babies.

Help ???? :blink:
What did you wash the filter package in? If you washed it in tap water that has chlorine in it, which would kill off the beneficial bacteria in your tank. Beneficial bacteria are found in the filter and gravel and break down ammonia (from fish waste) into nitrite, and the nitrite into nitrate. This is called the Nitrogen Cycle. Ammonia and nitrite are both deadly toxic to fish - in fact, they're the most common cause of fish deaths.

The new filter would not have had the beneficial bacteria growing in it. Personally, I rarely change filter insets and when I do, I have the new inset soaking in the tank for a couple of weeks, to ensure a new bacterial culture gets growing in it. But most of the time I just rinse the filter innards out in used tank water.

When you say you "refilled the tank", can I take it you drained the tank? I hope you didn't, but if so, the bacteria in your gravel could well have died off. Adding water straight from the tap, without dechlorinating it, would mean that you then added chlorine to the dying bacteria, killing it dead (as the old toilet cleaner ad goes) :(

When beneficial bacteria die off in a tank the Nitrogen Cycle collapses. Immediately, ammonia levels start to rise and the tank becomes like a brand new tank that has not "cycled". After a few days, assuming your fish survive, the bacteria start to re-establish themselves and convert the ammonia to nitrite. Nitrite will finish off any fish that survived the ammonia. Plecos are usually the first to go - they are least able to swim to the surface to get the extra oxygen needed to fight off ammonia and nitrite.

Cleaning materials, if you used them, could also have contributed to the fish's death, through poisoning.

To salvage this situation you are going to have to work hard, but hopefully by the end of it you'll have a much better idea of why it went wrong and how to prevent problems in future.

1. Firstly, you need to get that tank to "cycle" i.e. get those beneficial bacteria growing again. This will take time, but the best thing you can do for the moment is get some filter innards and gravel from an established tank or pond filter - that will bring some bacteria back into your tank. I wouldn't waste any money on so-called "Bacteria" products.

2. You need to test the water to monitor how the cycle is going. This means an ammonia test kit and a nitrite (NO2) test kit. Only when both your ammonia and nitrite levels are zero can you relax and talk about re-stocking.

3. To keep your fish alive in the meantime, do a daily water change of 10-15%. Don't change more than that at any one time as you might remove too many of the re-establishing bacteria.

4. Feed your fish every other day bare minimum rations. They are cold blooded animals so burn off far fewer calories than mammals and fasting will decrease the amount of ammonia waste they produce.

5. If you can get cheap, live plants like elodea, bung it in. Live plants can utilise ammonia and suck it out of the water, without producing the nasty side-effects of chemicals like Ammo-lock (I suggest you avoid chemicals as much as possible).

6. If you don't have any plecs left, add some Aquarium Salt as that will help the Swords cope with nitrite a little better (plecos can't cope with salt as it burns their skin).

Keep posting to this site and we'll help you get through this. Good luck!
 
if this is of any benefit to add to the other's posts, did your heater spike if you had a heater? we lost dozens of fish a couple years ago when our heater failed and made the tank very, very, very warm ....we lost everything. :sad: :sad:
I am sorry for your loss.
 
Thanks everyone for the quick replies. :)

The tank had been up and running for months. Only had a small number of fish in it during that time...

Yes, I did wash the new filter pack in tap water. Never thought the amount of additives in tap water used to rinse the filter media could have such consequences. Especially since this was done a good 3 weeks ago.

And when I say we added water to the tank, I was referring to refilling it due to surface evaporation. Perhaps about an inch or so was added, but of course, we didn't leave it set or condition it. Been many years since we had a tank set up that we've apparently forgotten quite a bit.

The bubbles were not on the fish bodies, just around them. May have nothing to do with their demise, but thought I'd mention it.

I suspect a good water testing kit is the way to go now. And, of course, the dechlorination solution.


Thanks much to all of you. :nod:
 
Thanks W.O.

We kind of thought about the heater a bit, but didn't really conisder it. Guess it's one more thing to check. Maybe we can save the plecs yet. ;)

I assume any water testing kit we get will check for the most common problems ? I seem to recall a kit we had that had you match test strip colors against a card. Besides PH, what must we absolutely test for ? :thumbs:
 
There is a "5 in 1" test strip available in most pet store that sell fish. It checks ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH, and I think, water hardness.
 
For those of you who were nice enough to respond to my original request for help, I thought I'd let you know that we apparently had a spike in the tank causing us to lose everyone except a single sword. Now try to get the tank cycled (???? right term????) and start over again. A little wiser we hope. Thanks.

:/
 

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