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I have only ever kept freshwater fish and i have just discovered the interests of marine fish
so i would like to know what filtration they need and what size tank you would need for:

2x Common clowns
1 or 2x chalk bass
1x species of blenny or goby (can you recommend one)
1x Royal gramma
and/or firefish

and for inverts:

Snails
hermit crabs
and cleaner and fire shrimps.


Thanks

Ghost
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I have no Idea about the chalk bass, but to keep

2 Percula Clowns
1 bi color blenny ( a very pretty peaceful blenny)
1 royal gramma basslet
1 fire fish
I would recomend a 55 gallon with 55 lbs of live rock, and a extremly good skimmer. If you could afford a 75 gallon, you could put in one larger fish like a dwarf angel or a small tang.
the best thing for you to do is to go out to your pet store and buy a book about keeping a marine aquarium. that will tell you a lot more then we can. :D
 
Large tank to start with. I wouldn't attempt 20 gal and the like. Marine newbies tend to make mistakes (over feeding, over stocking, etc) and the larger the tank the less incredibly harsh impact a mistake will make. Small tanks crash easily in inexperienced hands and are very discouraging for the marine newbie.

A 55 is a common starter size and allows for some "cushion" in the tank for the inevitable boo-boos that first time marine folks make. 55 is easy to find, relatively cheap, and is capable of holding some interesting fish in relative comfort.

Filtration is really a matter of personal preference. To sump or not to sump? Refugium or none? Canisters (eheim or fluval are some of the better brands IMO), wet/dry... the choices are many/varied and people have their individual preferences. Asking about filtration in the marine world is like asking a group of people what their favorite meal is. You're going to get as many different answers as the number of people you ask. ;) There is no one "right" answer. What's right is what works well for you and your system. On a FOWLR system, I have great results with a HOT refugium stocked with LR and macroalgae (good pod growth too), a high quality canister, live rock and more macro in the main tank, live sand bed, and a high quality skimmer (skimming is a must).

The only hard and fast rule I have with filtration is redundancy (bio and mech). In other words, I don't put my eggs in one basket. A few different forms of filtration working together insure that the water is clean and if one fails the other forms remain stable and working. Your water needs to be clean and high quality at all times. Some fish (angels for example) need very high water quality or they swiftly decline.

2x Common clowns
1 or 2x chalk bass
1x species of blenny or goby (can you recommend one)
1x Royal gramma
and/or firefish

By "common clowns" do you mean Ocellaris (false Perc)? Good starter fish. Hardy and colorful with lots of personality. Very endearing. I have a pair myself. :)

The Firefish is a goby. Family Microdesmidae, Subfamily Ptereleotrinae. Do a search on genus Nemateleotris.

Gramma Loreto (Royal Gramma) is a peaceful guy. They can be a bit sensitive to water conditions though.

and for inverts:

Snails
hermit crabs
and cleaner and fire shrimps.

Snails are great and part of the "clean up crew". Some Turbos in a tank are very helpful IMO.

Shrimp (inverts in general really) are sensitive and should be intro'd very slowly (long bag acclimation). Not uncommon for shrimps to kind of keel over and decline fast if they haven't been acclimated very slowly to the water in your tank. They'll also need a constant level of minerals in the water to shed. As shrimp grow they shed out of their exterior. Supplementing the minerals into the water may be needed. Terribly sad to have a little shrimpy caught in his own shed dying.

I guess I would suggest starting with Peppermint shrimp. They're useful little cleaners, pretty easy to come by at an LFS and you can have more than one.

The best thing I can tell you is that in marine tanks, an ounce of prevention is worth the proverbial pound of cure. Cycle the tank properly, monitor the water religiously, and QT all fish. Read, read, read. There are some great books out there. I'll even point you in the direction of a worthwhile one IMO, The Conscientious Marine Aquarist by Bob Fenner is a good place to start.

Let us know how it goes! :D
 
So you have live rock/sand and a good skimmer, but also use a cannister? I am thinking of disconnecting mine.

Why do you keep yours? I'm listening...
 
ostrow Posted on Oct 23 2003, 01:58 PM
So you have live rock/sand and a good skimmer, but also use a cannister? I am thinking of disconnecting mine.

Why do you keep yours? I'm listening...

Habit, insurance, back-up, flexibility...redundancy. :lol:

Right now I am running a fluval full of rings. Nice extra bio bed. I like the fact that if I need to run carbon (or whatever) I can just slam it in there. If I can get a bit more bio from a canister I already have and increase water movement in the tank by it's out put, why not use it?

I've had excellent results keeping a well aged canister hooked up. If it aint broke, don't fix it, ya know? I do screen over the intake though. Can't have my pods being sucked in there out of the tank. Mandarin would start giving me dirty looks through the glass.
 
Yeah, that's my thinking too. Also, in a sandstorm if a big rock falls over for some reason then I keep a pad in there to suck some out and maybe save a pump or two.....

Maybe I'll leave it. There is some thought though that they increase nitrites, as things in the cannister get dirty. I dunno tho.....

If I disconnected it would be to add more flow. The cannister puts 300GPH which, by the time it hits the water going up, is probably 100. A Mag7 would add a lot more.

But what I really want is one of those sweet Tunze Streams, though I worry about sandstorm from those babies too...
 
There is some thought though that they increase nitrites, as things in the cannister get dirty. I dunno tho.....

I've read that on some boards too. I haven't experienced any nitrites to be concerned about, so I dunno either.

I wonder if some folks aren't as careful with cleaning as they should be and that's the problem. The hoses on my fluval are a $#@&* to clean.

I can definitely see how if someone wasn't diligent about cleaning it could be a problem though.

You know how it goes...a lot of it is trend. If someone has been doing marine for a significant amount of time, you're bound to hear all the rumors and nightmares.

Remember when it was all about UG and bio-wheels? Then it went UG and trickle. Then all of a sudden people were screaming "NITRATES!!! DITCH THE UG!!!" Canisters became the flavor, and then it went to pure LR and LS systems with refugiums.

Now I am hearing whispers of, "well, really, the UG wasn't so bad after all. What were we all so worried about nitrates for?" :lol: Seems like everything old gets new again. I have friends running UG again - the same ones that screamed back when! :huh:
 
Clean the hoses :X Not once have I done so. 8) And I'm not going to either what pain in the &@^

Another reason to ditch the thing :S

Nitrites and ates might not show up if algae etc are growing. But they could still be there. Hmmm....

In the end, don't rock the boat. I'm gonna leave it.

Maybe replace the hoses. I could see that. Clean them? Notta chance!
 
Maybe replace the hoses. I could see that. Clean them? Notta chance!

HA! HA! I like the way you think! :D

I wonder if I can fit some smooth hoses on there rather than replace my current ribbed with new ribbed. It would make cleaning a lot easier if they were smooth, that's for sure. I could run a bottle brush through them lickety-split and be more assured of sweeping out debris. With the ribbed ones it's just crazy. Scrub, scrub, scrub...

Have to look into this. I am sick of these ribbed hoses. I like this fluval, never had a problem with it, but OMG what on earth were they thinking using ribbed hoses?!
 
Mine are smooth. But they are like 6ft! How the heck could you clean those?

And, how is this any different from U-tubes in the overflow box (or the box itself?!?), the standpipes, etc. Do people clean these things out?!?!?

I'm posting on reefcentral right now...
 
I'll tell ya how I do it...

I take a flexible bottle brush and tie some twine to the handle. I feed the twine through the hoses, and then pull the brush through by the twine.

Works on any size hose. Just cut the twine to the appropriate length. :) Works on U-tubes too (if the brush has one of those really flexible wire handles).
 
Yeah, it's a pain in the %$@ :lol:

I am a bit of a perfectionist with the cleaning though. I am hung up on flow too. I think that's part of my cleaning psychosis. :blink:

The idea of gunk reducing flow grates on me.

Cool, will follow the discussion on reefcentral.
 

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