Male Betta & Bumblebee Gobies

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mattkat

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Hi All,

This is my first post, so apologies if it doesn't read well (or is in the wrong place). We were at our LFS on the weekend and saw for the first time some Bumblebee Gobies - they looked amazing so we picked up three of them to go in with our male Betta & Otto Cat. I've been reading conflicting information about these little tackers being fin nippers - they've in for a couple of days, Big Red (aptly named Betta) seems to have slight damage, but is behaving normally, taking his food, flaring at both me & the otto - so I'm not really sure if I should be worried? It's a 18ltr tank with rocks, gravel, planted & driftwood.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Matt
 
18ltr is about 4.5 gallons. That's just about enough for one betta alone. To add three more fish overpopulates your tank. If you went up to 10 gallons (about 38ltr) your fish would be happier and you won't have to worry about the water stats getting out of hand.
 
Sounds to me like you're going to have problems here. Otos like being kept in groups. If I were you I'd buy another one or two otos and move the bumblebee gobies somewhere else. The betta is likely to harass them because they're so small. THey need specialist feeding and will not get enough food with the betta in there gobbling up their food. Last and most importantly they are brackish water fish. They need salt in their water and if they don't get it you will probably lose them to one of the various stress related diseases that plague brackish fish kept in fresh water. If you get a second 18 litre tank and put them in there with two or three tablespoons of aquarium salt, that would be your best bet cause I agree with Piggy, at present you are pushing the stocking.

Hope this helps.

Laura.
 
Sounds to me like you're going to have problems here. Otos like being kept in groups. If I were you I'd buy another one or two otos and move the bumblebee gobies somewhere else. The betta is likely to harass them because they're so small. THey need specialist feeding and will not get enough food with the betta in there gobbling up their food. Last and most importantly they are brackish water fish. They need salt in their water and if they don't get it you will probably lose them to one of the various stress related diseases that plague brackish fish kept in fresh water. If you get a second 18 litre tank and put them in there with two or three tablespoons of aquarium salt, that would be your best bet cause I agree with Piggy, at present you are pushing the stocking.

Hope this helps.

Laura.


I agree that you should get more otos and get another tank just for the gobies.
BUT bumblebee gobies do not need a brackish tank. I know some people keep them in brackish tanks though and others don't.. conflicting info, so I would ask in the right section of the forums what would be best to keep them in.
We have a BB goby in our 28gal freshwater tank and other than it being an extremely picky eater, it's very healthy.
 
10 Things to Know About Gobies: Bumblebee Gobies
Brachygobius xanthozona and Brachygobius nunus

by Peter McKane
of England. From his website www.helpthefish.org
Aquarticles.com

Gobies come in a huge range of shapes, sizes and suitability for certain setups. The goby species is a group of fish that live in the full range of possible environments, from tropical to full marine, with a good handful of brackish variants thrown in for good measure. For now the main focus will be on the Bumblebee Goby. As strongly suggested, its coloration is one of black and yellow vertical stripes, and it has a temperament very similar to your average bumblebee too. It's fine if you leave it alone; just don't annoy it when its sitting in its flower, or in the case of the goby, in its cave or pot.

The First Thing
Bumblebee gobies come in two distinct species. Both of these species are really best suited for brackish water, but one type can survive quite well in fresh water. For those of you who want to know the precise difference, here it is:

The Second Thing
The Brachygobius xanthozona has perfect unbroken black stripes and is best suited for brackish, but will tolerate fresh water much better than the other type.

The Brachygobius nunus has less well banded stripes, and occasionally black spots or broken stripes. It is not very tolerant of a fresh water environment. Technically its common name is the Golden Banded Goby, although I have not once seen these two species clearly distinguished when on sale in fish stores.

The Third Thing
Bumblebee gobies are grumpy. They will not school with other species of fish easily, if ever. Their faces seem to give them away, with their permanent frown and drooping corners to their mouths.

The Fourth Thing
If bumblebee gobies were homeowners, they would be the type that cut only their side of the hedge, and would daily measure their borders just to make sure that their land stayed their own. They are highly territorial, but are prone to frequently move house too, never really approving of their neighbors. If you keep bumblebee gobies and see them randomly fighting, they are attempting to set up borders of a territory, and it's little to worry about; damage is very seldom done if they are not overstocked.

The Fifth Thing
Feeding can be quite a chore. Because they are ambush predators, preferring the "wait until it floats right past" method of hunting, they can be difficult to feed with frozen foods, and practically impossible to feed with dried or flake foods. Try to have a current circulating over the bottom of the tank when you feed them, so that the food will keep moving, whether it's thawed or living.

The Sixth Thing
Gobies tend to breed in typhoon season, so if you want to trigger spawning then you should lower the level of water in the tank and add at least fifty percent fresh, chemically unconditioned cool water (around eighteen to twenty degrees Celsius) to their environment. This is usually not likely to work the first time you try, but persevere and success will be achieved eventually.

The Seventh Thing
Gobies in general can be kept with more aggressive fish, despite their small size. I personally keep five bumblebee gobies with a figure eight puffer and there are no problems. Keeping such a puffer with practically any other type of fish would eventually result in fierce fighting and probably the death of either the figure eight puffer or its tankmates. Apparently, the yellow and black warning of danger is universal. No one likes to get in the way of something small and aggressive when provoked that is striped yellow and black.

The Eighth Thing
Gobies kept in community tanks will tend to fin nip, even if unprovoked. Their hunting instinct is to take a snap at anything that floats by, and as long as even a piece of it will fit in the goby's mouth, it is going to have a try. Keeping these fish in with bettas is out of the question.

The Ninth Thing
Ideally the environment in which you keep your gobies should have a plentiful supply of rocky caves or small pots. Tiny terracotta plant pots work perfectly and will typically not mind being submerged for long periods of time in brackish water. The gobies will use these as hiding holes. The perfect setup is one in which each goby will have at least one pot or piece of wood to claim as its own, and around this area is a current strong enough to keep small foods moving around, but not strong enough to make the tiny gobies hit the sides of the tank.

The Tenth Thing
Gobies are excellent to watch. Their frequent border disputes and arguments over the best pot are hilarious. They make a great addition to any brackish setup. The true bumblebee goby will also be accepted into a community setup. However, due to the feeding habits of the bumblebee goby there is a chance that they will not manage to catch enough food if their tankmates are "aggressive feeders" - i.e. fish that go for anything floating or moving as soon as they see it. Black neons and similar fish qualify as aggressive feeders. Even though their grumpiness will usually result in a small fight, I am yet to see any of my gobies hurt from these battles. They are among my favorite fish because of this.

In the case of the bumblebee goby, there is little more to say. They are excellent hunters of small foods like bloodworms or Artemia, but are fairly easy to train onto frozen foods with the right conditions. Their attitudes are hilarious to watch when they are active, but do be prepared to watch a single goby sit motionless for extended periods of time, presumably keeping an eye on its borders for any encroachment from its goby neighbors. They require little food because of their size, so keeping a species only tank can be quite difficult to feed properly. In a brackish setup this will result, as it did with mine, in a large population of Malaysian trumpet snails, which will at least keep their own population under control through cannibalism if surplus food is not enough for them. All in all, these fish are lovely, but slightly misunderstood. If you do buy a golden banded goby instead of a true bumblebee goby, please try to find it a brackish home. It will more than likely not last long in fresh water.
 
Going by nmonks book, there's a few more than just two species of bumblebee goby, and stripe identification isn't reliable, only pinning them under a dissection microscope and counting scales, which is inconvenient if you want them to be alive afterwards. All of the species are perfectly tolerant of hard alkaline fresh water to light brackish, one is tolerant of soft alkaline water. As he explains, the main benefit of brackish water isn't the fish's health, but feeding, since you can keep brine shrimp alive in the water, making feeding easier.
 
Thanks All - there's always conflicting information! Will definitely look to lighten the load on the tank - am now checking the parameters daily to ensure no spike and doing minor water changes to ensure good conditions. The otto issue raises a problem in that if I get more I'm increasing the load on the tank and also am a bit worried that between two of them, they will run out of algae to eat? The current "ris-otto" is onto it all day, every day - i've heard they're voracious algae eaters and I don't want to starve them.

The gobies are great, however moving them into the 100 litre battleground isn't the answer as the fish in there are the biggest pigs ever! Even the catfish pellets struggle to hit the floor - lights on, lights off, distracting them - they're on to me - they would never get to eat!

Thanks again for all your replies!

Matt
 
The gobies are very small and do not need a lot of room, but they are definitely not suitable for the general community tank due to their size and temperament, and special feeding requirements. I'm keeping them with guppies because I can't identify the species and my water is soft and acid, so I figure adding marine salt ups the hardness, pH and adds some salt as well, and these conditions suit guppies. Also, I can usually manage to distract the guppies with flake long enough to pass a tube down to the bottom of the tank and put the goby food through that. I put it in a small syringe, squirt it down the tube, then fill a large syringe (30mL) with tank water and use it to clear the tube.

Two otos should be fine if you are supplement feeding them. Otos eat algae or algae substitutes. If not able to feed them on pure algae, you should provide a wide range of substitutes for the best possible results. Algae wafers or sinking algae pellets are good, but read the label. A lot of them are actually alfalfa, wheat flour and ground up dead fish with some green food dye. This is basically no better than flake and specialised algae eaters such as otos will fail to thrive on them. The real thing is usually quite expensive even as good quality fish food goes, but if you are only feeding two otos and store the food in the freezer then one packet will last quite a while. In addition to prepared supplements for algae eaters you can also use vegetables. They will take almost anything. Leafy vegetables should be washed carefully and scalded - dip them in boiling water for ten seconds, then weigh them down with clips if they float. Do not use cabbage. You can also feed slivers of potato, carrot, pumpkin, turnip etc, florets of broccoli or cauliflower, and slices of zucchini (courgette) or cucumber.
 
The gobies are very small and do not need a lot of room, but they are definitely not suitable for the general community tank due to their size and temperament, and special feeding requirements. I'm keeping them with guppies because I can't identify the species and my water is soft and acid, so I figure adding marine salt ups the hardness, pH and adds some salt as well, and these conditions suit guppies. Also, I can usually manage to distract the guppies with flake long enough to pass a tube down to the bottom of the tank and put the goby food through that. I put it in a small syringe, squirt it down the tube, then fill a large syringe (30mL) with tank water and use it to clear the tube.

Two otos should be fine if you are supplement feeding them. Otos eat algae or algae substitutes. If not able to feed them on pure algae, you should provide a wide range of substitutes for the best possible results. Algae wafers or sinking algae pellets are good, but read the label. A lot of them are actually alfalfa, wheat flour and ground up dead fish with some green food dye. This is basically no better than flake and specialised algae eaters such as otos will fail to thrive on them. The real thing is usually quite expensive even as good quality fish food goes, but if you are only feeding two otos and store the food in the freezer then one packet will last quite a while. In addition to prepared supplements for algae eaters you can also use vegetables. They will take almost anything. Leafy vegetables should be washed carefully and scalded - dip them in boiling water for ten seconds, then weigh them down with clips if they float. Do not use cabbage. You can also feed slivers of potato, carrot, pumpkin, turnip etc, florets of broccoli or cauliflower, and slices of zucchini (courgette) or cucumber.

Thanks for the advice! Have moved the gobies out as they were starting to take a liking to the flaming red flowing betta fins - and put in a few more ottos - looks good!
 

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