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I've had my tank for some weeks now & the LR is just the absolute business. So brilliant as you can see it grow & live day by day

My problem is the sustainability of the source.How long can it be supplied without destroying the reefs it comes from?

How can we continue to buy when we know it will have such an effect?
 
Well, lets clear up a few things. Usually LR is not collected directly from a reef, it is usually collected in the "rubble" zone between the reef and the shore for many reasons, key among those being that it's much easier to dive and collect there ;). So our collection is not really hindering reefs per-say, just the reef's dumping ground. Also while perhaps not sustainable, LR collection does fall under CITES regulations so its collection and impact on the environment is monitored and controlled. Not just anyone can go get this stuff.

Now the other half of the issue is what to do about it. Well, there are a few LR suppliers here in the states that actually Aquaculture or "grow" LR. Tampabaysaltwater.com was the first to do so if memory serves and is still a big outfit, but a few others have sprung up after TBSW's success. What these firms do is purchase rubble from tropical construction sites which would otherwise have been discarded. Almost all rubble from digging in truly tropical areas of the carribean is dead live rock. Most of the carribean isles were reefs millions of years ago, so when you dig up "stone" there you get dead LR. So these aquaculture firms then get permits from the appropriate agency, rent a barge, take it off the coast of south florida in between the reef and the shore, and create their own rubble zone. They leave the rock for a year or more and then start diving and collecting on their site. The really nice part about doing LR this way is that because the whole operation is man-made and aquacultured, CITES restrictions do not apply and rock can be shipped with all kinds of extra goodies. Shrimp, clams, corals, sea fans, etc are in excessive abundance on this "man made" rock. Fantastic stuff, and expensive...

Perhaps someday all LR will be created/collected this way
 
I've had my tank for some weeks now & the LR is just the absolute business. So brilliant as you can see it grow & live day by day

My problem is the sustainability of the source.How long can it be supplied without destroying the reefs it comes from?

How can we continue to buy when we know it will have such an effect?


I am certainly with you on this one, marine conservation is essential!!! You know <2% of the worlds oceans are protected. imagine ~70% of the world's surface is covered by water and this supports a huge amount of biodiversity. Fish stocks are dramatically falling; for instance the blue fin tuna since the 1970 has decreased in numbers by approximately 85%!!! The north sea has lost its mackerel population completely and the herring are going the same way. A population of giant squid has been made extinct as well. The list is endless. I don't know if you remember a program on the TV a few years back the blue planet. I bought the box set because it was so well produced and on the additional material was an episode called Deep trouble. It was so sad to see little juvenile Groupers pushed around on the floor at a chinese fish market. You know what is that all about? It is a Juvenile so it makes you wonder where the future adult populations are coming from?? But that is it people live day to day not really thinking about the future. Indonesia is such a brilliant example of this poverty afflicts a great majority of the population, education is poor and many are not able to read and write. They find what work they can so many work catching fish on their beautiful reefs for, you guesses it, the aquarium trade in the west. If they were just taking a fish here and there it would be a problem but the don't and they aren't careful about how they catch them. Potassium cyanide is ued to stun the fish, what a bloody joke, potassium cyanide of all things!! It doesn't kill the fish immediate but takes about two weeks or so. The corals and other invertebrates aren't so lucky they die within hours to days. The indonesia waters are meant to hold the most diversity and beauty on the whole planet and it is estimated that less than 15% of the reefs are in their pristine condition. The rest are dead or dying; big heaps of calcium carbonate covered by algae. You have to remember that along with the coral goes all the other critters and fish too because they depend on the coral!! That is why it is SO IMPORTANT that we act responsibly; buy corals that are aquacultured and fish that are tank bred. Live rock such be bought second hand on aquarist classified and the like from people who are dismantaling their tanks. If you lost a coral ( hard stony type) keep the skeleton and crush it to make some substrate which can be used by yourself or a fellow 'water keeper'

Opp sorry I have had a bit of a rant but it is all reasonably sensible stuff

Regards
 
A question for Ski, where do marco rocks and bulk reef supply get there rock? Since they say they have dry fiji, i doubt it is from the caribbean. And since live rock is worth much more than dry rock, i doubt they get rock and dry and kill it, and then sell.....
 
Heh, well if you want my honest oppinion, I think the dry rock bulk reef supply gets is probably the same leftover construction waste from tropical digging that TBSW uses... I have absoloutely zero proof of this, only that for the price they charge its probably the only way they could get it...
 
hmm, but the density is much less than TBS, its as porous as regular fiji rock. With my marco rock, i even got favite coral skeletons etc that dont seem like they could keep their structure being burried for thousands of years.....
 

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