Is this ich?

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So ive have 2 albino bristle nose 2 longfin albino bristlenose l144, 1 blue phantom l128 starlight l183, 4 julii corys, male guppy, 2 dalmatian white ghost knifes (babys btw) and 2 clown loach juvi. And around 2 weeks ago i picked up a julii cory from petsmart or petco i cant remember but last week i noticed my clowns had white spots the guppy had a lil lil spot on his tail and the 2 longfina had what looked like little spot or 2 and i thought since i just fed brine shrimp recently maybe food crums landed on their slime coat day or 2 later i started thinking maybe ich but ive had temp at 88 89 last 4 days and it looks like clowns are getting more spots on them so maybe not ich? I need help thx
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Not sure what thses spots are heats been at 88 89 last 5 days and it appears these 2 loaches are getting more dots theirs others in the tank but these are the ones that have it
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Still clueless temps been at 89 and im seeing more white spots on clowns and guppy cant be ich or velvet so idk what else it can be
 
excess mucous or white spot.
check water quality (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH)
do a big water change and gravel clean the substrate.
 
Thx but thats the basics alreasy did that 10ppm nitrates 0nitrites no ammonia and ph is still the same as it always has been its planted and floating plants thx for advice thought
 
It looks like ich to me. Clowns can be an issue to treat as they are a scaleless fish, They are also somewhat sensitive ro Ich meds, so read labels on any med you decide to try.

Ich has a life cycle and not many meds can kill Ich in all of its stages. The speed of that life cycle shortens when the temp is higher. They nornmally have an upper temp. limit of 30C which is 86F. So make sure you do not get above 89 for sure and a degree or two lower should not make a hug difference.

Heat alone is often not enough to kill Ich. It comes in different strains which can be more or less sensitive to a given raised temp. The one thing that is sure is the life cycle gets faster the higher. Not all fish can tolerate the temp you reported.

Next, mit fish whoch get Ich and survive it develop an immunity gainst it. This is not permanet but I will last for some time. This is one reason why some fish in a tank may not get it. Unless this recovery had happened during the time you have jad the fish, there is no way to know in advance if any of them arrive to you with that immunity in effect. Usualy we find out when Ich hits a tank and wee see which fish do not seen to be affected.

Here is the good news, The Google AI actually gives proper information re treating clowns with Ich. Basically, you start with elevated te,mp. and use salt. If that does not help then you need to move a medication treayment. As I wrote above, they warn about clowns being scaleless. Do a Google for "best ich treatment for clown loaches" which should get you the AI info which you can trust.

You then should do some research into all the species in the tank before yo try salt as not all fih cantolerate it. Some plants will also not be happy. While doing the salt and heat you have time to research Ihc meds and determine what they suggest re xlowns/scalelss fish which is usually will be one of three options:

1. Safe to dose according the the medi directions.
2. Needs ti be used in a reduced dise which they wikk suggest.
3. Do not use at all.

It is important when mdeicating fish whether with something more natural like salt or using a chemical or midecation treament that you follow the directions. Usually trying to makes changes on your own doesn't work out well.

The google AI gives some med suggestions in this vain if I alter how I ask and that will give you a starting point re a few meds:

Ich-X by Aquarium Solutions is a highly effective and safe medication for treating ich in clown loaches and other freshwater fish. It is recommended by many aquarium enthusiasts and professionals for its efficacy and compatibility with various species, including sensitive fish, shrimp, snails, and even live plants.

Other effective options include:

Rid Ich Plus by Kordon:
This medication has been successfully used to treat ich in clown loaches, with no reported casualties.

Maracide by Mardel:
This medication is available at PetSmart and has been used effectively at half-strength to treat ich in clown loaches.

Quick Cure:
This medication is a cost-effective option that contains formalin and malachite green. It is effective at treating ich but may require multiple treatments to eliminate all stages of the parasite.



However, there are other options than the above so look beyond the 3 above a bit before you chose one. You may prefer to start with a med/chemical treatment rather than salt. If so still keep the heat elevated. Finally, Ich will spread to other fish n a tank. So The one thing the AI got wrong on the medication answer was to move the infected fish to be treated in a hospital tank. I do not recommend this. Treat the whole tank as is.
 
Thank you but questioning if its ich temps been 89 for 5 days and more spots on appearing and my gupps has it now too so could it be ich at 89 degrees?
 
Im looking more for a yes or no can it still be ich if the temp has ben 89 for 5 days? All the research ive done says och cant attach to fish past 86 i did 88 89 to be sure it never dropped below 86 anyways if the answer is yes it still could be ich even with that high temp okay im confermed it to be ich i can start treating if no it cant be ich i need to find out what it is
 
Yes, It can still be Ich, It will always look worse before getting better, this could take 2-3 weeks...

The more I read about it, the most recent papers don't really seem to consider heat as a treatment anymore. Even AI can be influenced from suggesting it to not suggesting it, in a couple sentences... Personally I never did.

The number of contradictions is so high about temperature to use and time to treat. with salt, no-salt...

That it makes me really wonder why would anybody consider these archaic methods when inexpensive commercial Ich medicine that goes a lot further can be used...

With 100% success and 0% stress.
 
Intresting well ill get some ich cure or ich x n try it u beat ich few times before with just raising temp to 86 for a week and it was gone but this time it got worse so thays why i posted this didnt no if it was something else
 
Clown loaches will display Ich easier than other fish since they don't have scales. Did you do a water change lately? Cold water added to the tank can cause this outbreak. I suggest using @TwoTankAmin advice. I would use Ich-X or equivalent to cure an outbreak.
 

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