Is my tank over stocked?

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I recently used the aqua advisor thing and it sais my tank is over stocked :( so idk what to do I guess I'm just looking for suggestions maybe I could add a filter if I need? My tank is 4ft long, alittle over a foot wide, and almost 2 feet deep with a 110 Aqua clear filter and also a submersed 15 gallon filter. I have 6 baby bristle nose pleco until I am able to sex them then I have some homes for them. Accidentally put my tank alittle smaller on the aqua advisor but it is 48 inch
 

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Hi, I'm no expert so will wait for someone else to come along but I believe corys need to be kept in a group of 5 or more of the same type to prevent them getting stressed, so for example 5 peppered, 5 panda etc.

Also, I'm not certain but I'm sure the fish listed have different requirements in terms of water hardness so I would double check that they are all compatible.

I believe the calculator factors in full grown fish so you could take it as advisory that you'll need a bigger tank/more tanks in the future
 
With a 4-foot 55g (or whatevert gallons this is), you are in better shape than with a 3-foot as calculated. Keep in mind that these fish will (should) grow. Mollies can attain 3 inches for males, with females 5 inches and some note 6 inches. Swordtails will reach 4-5 inches in aquaria, though 6 inches is possible. Platy are smaller at maturity, at 2 inches (males) and 3 inches (females). So you can appreciate that in not that much time this tank will not look as devoid of fish as it does now when they are small. I certainly would not add more fish. With male/female swordtails (and you are good to have 1 male and 2 female to reduce stress on the individual females) you will have fry in large numbers eventually, so I hope plans are made for removing them; not all will be eaten.

I agree that cory should be in larger groups per species, but at the same time they do seem to be OK with mixed species, and you have 9 in total. I have around 50 cories in my 70g, representing some 12 species, and some of these are single specimens well over 8 years in age. It is the number in total that seems to be essential, though I will agree that five or more of each species is preferred. But here I see no cause for concern.

I'll end by commenting on your point about adding a filter, for general information. Filters and filtration is often misunderstood especially by beginning aquarists, but many seasoned aquarists also have an inaccurate idea. This is easy to understand but difficult to explain, but I'll try. Feel free to question anything.

Aquarium size and fish load has two aspects. One is the physical space needed for the fish to behave normally according to the species, and the other is the resulting water quality. Filters obviously cannot do anything for the former, they can only "help" with the latter. My use of "filter" in this last sentence refers to the aspect of filtration; filters can be essential to some fish, such as in providing more water current for certain species that require this. But generally speaking, the tank size and the individual fish are stand alone, and no filter will change this ratio as far as the physical space for the species.

It is the second aspect, the water quality, that many misunderstand. If a given aquarium has a filter suitable for the needs of that aquarium, the biological system will be about as good as it can be, all else being equal. More filters, or larger filters, do not benefit at all, unless the tank is out of balance to begin with, and in that situation, the filter is really providing an emergency function (continually) and this is not responsible fishkeeping. Take for example nitrification: the nitrifying bacteria will colonize the aquarium and be at a level to handle the available food (ammonia, etc). Adding more filters will not increase these bacteria, just the same as removing filters will not decrease them (again all else being equal). So providing the filter suitable for the tank size, and the fish load, is all you can do. Adding more fish, beyond what the system can adequately handle, will not be offset by more filters.

Byron.
 
I don't plan on buying anymore fish for my tank unless I would need to add more corys? Or is it just fine? So this tank just came with a 110 and you say just that should be okay? And my tank shouldn't be to crowded? I also have a 10 gallon tank for the really pregnant female fish and have nets for baby's.
 
I don't plan on buying anymore fish for my tank unless I would need to add more corys? Or is it just fine? So this tank just came with a 110 and you say just that should be okay? And my tank shouldn't be to crowded? I also have a 10 gallon tank for the really pregnant female fish and have nets for baby's.

OK, with respect to the fry that will soon be appearing...do you have any plans for them? They will in fairly short time overload the large tank if none are culled/removed, and they will outgrow a 10g in a few weeks. Fish need sufficient space to develop properly, and this again is tank space plus water quality. I don't know if the mollies and platy are also male/female, but if they are, even more problems ahead. And a female livebearer once impregnated can deliver several batches of fry (up to 50+ at each in time) without males present.

Adding more cories won't really harm here, they are not upper level fish, and a few would have minimal impact on biology if you are regular in water changes (50-60% of the volume of a tank once every week). Live plants help too, especially floating. Not overfeeding also. Regular filter cleaning, and substrate vacuuming during the water change are other aspects of a healthy system.

As for the filter, I don't know it personally, but according to Hagen's data it is suited to tanks of 60 to 110 US gallons, so it should be fine. Not everyone agrees, but filter ratings are generally reliable, unless the tank is very specialized with fish requiring something other than the basic water movement. I tend to follow the rating, or in some cases less, and I have never had problems from this. Provided the tank is not overstocked (yours isn't as I previously said), you don't overfeed, you are regular in maintenance, etc there should be no problem.
 
I have a 25 foot gravel vacuum thing and yeah I do 2 25% water changes a week. Thanks for the help :) maybe I'll add some corys in and I was wondering when I do the water changes should I use the nutrafin cycle in? I always use the nutrafin Aqua plus
 
I have a 25 foot gravel vacuum thing and yeah I do 2 25% water changes a week. Thanks for the help :) maybe I'll add some corys in and I was wondering when I do the water changes should I use the nutrafin cycle in? I always use the nutrafin Aqua plus

I would suggest you do a larger water change once a week, rather than smaller twice. This actually has more impact/benefit because the more water you remove at one time, the more you are diluting the pollution. Pollution is my term for all the stuff in the tank water that is best to get rid of, and there is a lot believe me. And changing 50-60% is a good amount.

As for Nutrafin's AquaPlus, I would suggest you change conditioners. This conditioner includes aloe vera among its ingredients. From their blurb, this allegedly helps restore the slime coat on fish and promotes healing of damaged tissue. There is no evidence it actually does this, but more important is the evidence that aloe vera is harmful to fish. Scientific studies have shown that aloe vera can add organic waste that reduces the oxygen content of the water in closed systems (an aquarium is a closed system, meaning the same water remains within that space), but even more importantly still there is evidence that gill tissue is negatively affected, and fish used in the studies exhibited severe depigmentation and destruction of organs including the gills. I used to use this conditioner myself, until I learned about its harm. I am now using API's Tap Water Conditioner.

As for Nutrafin's Cycle, I wouldn't use this simply because there is no need, no benefit, and every substance added to the aquarium water does get inside fish. Keeping these to the absolute minimum necessary will always mean healthier fish, that we can guarantee. For the same reason, do not overdose conditioners, notwithstanding the manufacturers will say it doesn't harm fish--they can, and regardless it certainly won't help them.
 
As a general guide, aqadvisor is good but not perfect. From my experience, I would probably say it is calculating your BN Plecos at full size (so when they grow to 4-6" each). I've found the tank stocking percentage changes dramatically when you change the numbers of BN's listed (so when I had about 20 fish in my tank it said 60% stocking, when I added 2 BN Plecos it went to 120%, and like you, I have a 4' tank). If you intend on re-homing the Plecos, see what the site says without them in the tank.

Plecos are very messy in the amount of waste they create, having said that I have at least one in all of my tanks because I can't resist them.
 

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