Inexplicable Killi Deaths

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Hopefully I'll address all of the basic questions right off the bat, and then we can go from there.

Particular breed: Aphyosemion australe
Tank PH - approximately 7.1-7.2, though it has traditionally been higher. Lowered during the inclusion of other blackwater fish.
GH/KH - middle of the road softness. GH about 100ppm, KH about 80mg/L.
Ammonia, nitrites, nitrates - Tested minimal - all well within acceptable ranges.
Thank size - 33Gal, well-established

So, here's how it breaks down. I've hatched and raised these killis myself, and they would be about 1.5 years old presently. They live in a community tank with several glass catfish, 2 angelfish, and a shoal of rummy-nose tetras. Generally, I figured that of all the inhabitants, the killis should have been the hardest to kill ... They have been fine the entire duration that I have had them, and things only start getting odd recently.
The glass cats were brought into the tank at the same time as 3 juvenile angels (2 of them, I assume, had internal parasites from the pet store as I could not coax them to eat anything. The 3rd is quite healthy, and another equally healthy one was added last week). Nothing besides the angels that died showed any issues. 5 tetras were added last week and no problems were encountered - everything was fine. The only out-of-sorts thing I did was clean the driftwood I have in the tank 4 days later, but it was cleaned in tank water removed during a water change. 2 days later, after feeding the fish in the morning (frozen bloodworms are the norm for me), the tetras started acting very weird and lost much of their nose coloring. One died about an hour later, and this was in the filter intake so I wasn't sure it hadn't just wandered too close. The others, while still looking pale, were swimming fine and I had a class to attend, so I turned off the lights and went. I came home 5ish hours later and 2 more tetras were dead, with 2 more still looking sickly. I fished out the dead ones and turned on the lights. Within the hour both remaining tetras were back to red-nosed active wonders. I did nothing whatsoever to intervene ...
So we move to last night. I replaced the dead tetras and picked up 5 more. When I arrived home I found one killi dead at the bottom of the tank. I had no idea why - none of them were acting out of sorts - so I just assumed it had died of age, knowing they have had varied living conditions while I have moved between apartments. This morning when I woke I found 3 more laying dead the the tank's bottom, and as I type this one more is on it's way out. There is still nothing identifiably wrong with the tank, and none of the angels, cats, or tetras have shown any signs of illness either. The most perplexing part of this is that every killi that has died has been female. All of the males (to this point) are still alive and well.

So I've been left with a few possible conclusions, but no real indications if any of them could be correct.
The most obvious, is that the new fish have brought something into the tank, but if this were the case I would expect something OTHER than the killis to be experiencing problems too.
I would consider some kind of issue with the females carrying eggs and having complications, but to lose 5 in 2 days is far too coincidental when they've clearly been impregnated for months.
Old age pretty much has the same issues as the pregnancy theory ...

Anywho, being that the issue is fairly isolated to the killis, I figured I would start here and see if anyone has had a similar experience, or has a better explanation. If you need any more info I'll be happy to provide it. In the meantime, I'll continue to monitor the tank.

Regards,
Nick
 
Dear me Nick,sorry to hear your plight.
Quite a few thing to consider here,
You have caught me literally on my way out the door (Family meal) and I don't really have time at the moment to delve deeper into your situation.
Rest assured I'll give it some thought and ask a few more questions on my return.
were the killifish fine before the new introductions.
What are your maintenance policies (Waterchanges, filtration, additives)
Regards
C
 
Hey BigC. I was kind of hoping you'd catch this. I don't mind your running out - we all have lives. Now lets see ...

The most honest answer I can give is that yes - they appeared fine before I introduced the tetras. The only one I had lost any time recently was another I found in the filter intake, and that was before I added anything to the tank so I consider it unrelated. Beyond that, they have sat at the top of the tank on occasion, but they'd never stay there like they were sick - they'd tend to just sit up there much like angelfish tend to. Heck, up until yesterday when this started the males were still constantly trying to mate with the females, so I do tend to figure that whatever has caught me has done so in the last few days.

Additional note - I have 4 small ottos as well that were added just after the cats/angels, and they too have been fine through all this.

As far as maintenance goes, I have been doing a weekly water change of about 30%. I was considering changing this to twice weekly, but repeated testing has shown that I'm encountering very minor buildups of anything harmful, so my current measures have seemed sufficient ...
Additives consist of your standard dechlorinate and a small amount of blackwater formula. I started adding this about the time I got the glass cats to try and lower the PH a bit, and that seems to have worked. In the month and a half or so it's been I've brought it down from about 7.6 or so. I'll admit my memory is a bit hazy on the testing at the time.
Filtration is a single 50-gallon over-the back aqua-clear. Foam, charcoal, culture media, and phos-x.

The males and remaining females seem listless at the moment, but nobody is rolling over. It was a bit hard to tell if any were eating this morning as my older angel seems to have grown a bit aggressive towards his food, but they certainly weren't after it like they normally would have been. I can assure you of that much.
 
Not quite sure on this one M8, but saying that everything leads me to believe that the new additions have certainly caused, in some way or another, the problem. Stressed fish do present problems to a new system and the additional bio-load and the unwanted ailments that they bring along with them for the ride can soon spread to what was otherwise a healthy aquarium.
Take to monitoring your water stats more regularly. (Morning and Evening) to ascertain some idea of what is going on.
Source a chemical called Flubendazole (wormer in different guises) this will sort out any gut problems your fish may be suffering and they should take to their food again once treated. (Please stick to the recommended dosage)
Other than that I would suggest that with every new addition/s, you set up a Temp small bare tank for quarantine purposes. (heater and sponge filter only)
Sorry I couldn't be of more help
Regards
C
 
Yeah, don't worry about it. I was pretty much going with the same theories, but wanted to see if there was something it might have specifically been. The real enemy here was time - all the fish I lost, I lost very quickly. I don't own a car so I couldn't run off to grab supplies immediately, and right now all other fish ARE still fine. I'll see if the last few killis can make it through with me, but the MAIN inquiry here was just to see if it may have been killi-exclusive for some reason. Since nothing can suggest it was, I will take further precautions to prevent a tank-wipe.

Thanks for trying all the same, my friend. I do appreciate it.
 

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