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[moll]

Can anyone help, I wanted a small pleco and think I may of endded up with a common one

I've tried to get his best side but he likes to hide

Thanks in advance

Moll

 

[darknirvana217]

Hes a common, but he has some nice reddish color on him, usually you don't see those alot. sorry to break it to you, but he will get big. Your best bet is to take him back if your tank is large enough and keep searching for a clown. You can tell hes a common by the circular pattern on his body. The clowns have stripes.

 

[moll]

Thanks I'll look at rehoming him sadly I can't take him back we bought him several months ago and trusted them its only since finding this forum I have become enlightened.

 

[The_Fod]

its a gibby!

http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148

 

[xingumike]

its a gibby!

[URL="http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148"]http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148[/URL]

yup, even bigger than a 'common'

 

[raptorrex]

its a gibby!

<a href="http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148" target="_blank">http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148</a>

yup, even bigger than a 'common'

nope not quite commons can get to 60cm, bit more than 45cm. though there are more than one type of common, even the smaller one gets to 45cm. i know it depend on where you look, just more sites give these than do the smaller sizes.

 

[xingumike]

its a gibby!

<a href="http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148" target="_blank">http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148</a>

yup, even bigger than a 'common'

nope not quite commons can get to 60cm, bit more than 45cm. though there are more than one type of common, even the smaller one gets to 45cm. i know it depend on where you look, just more sites give these than do the smaller sizes.

I disagree.

The archetypal common these days is P. pardalis or P. disjunctivus, neither of these have a 'usual' adult size that exceeds P. gibbiceps.

 

[raptorrex]

its a gibby!

<a href="http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148" target="_blank">http/www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=148</a>

yup, even bigger than a 'common'

nope not quite commons can get to 60cm, bit more than 45cm. though there are more than one type of common, even the smaller one gets to 45cm. i know it depend on where you look, just more sites give these than do the smaller sizes.

I disagree.

The archetypal common these days is P. pardalis or P. disjunctivus, neither of these have a 'usual' adult size that exceeds P. gibbiceps.

Hypostomus punctatus, Liposarcus multiradiatus , are the two plecos , normally, called the Common pleco. amongst others, including the two you mentioned. however the point should be mute. we should all know which type of pleco we have, which makes it academic what common name we give it. what is a problem is people that are not sure of their plecos species, being lulled into a false sense of security, by assuming that all commons are the same. there are several pleco in the group that can reach over 20 inches. it seem churlish to claim that they cant!

 

[xingumike]

Hypostomus punctatus, Liposarcus multiradiatus , are the two plecos , normally, called the Common pleco. amongst others, including the two you mentioned. however the point should be mute. we should all know which type of pleco we have, which makes it academic what common name we give it. what is a problem is people that are not sure of their plecos species, being lulled into a false sense of security, by assuming that all commons are the same. there are several pleco in the group that can reach over 20 inches. it seem churlish to claim that they cant!

Which of these in this group as you call it reach over 20 inches? Pictures and/or reference sites would be useful for me to look at as well thanks

 

[raptorrex]

Liposarcus multiradiatus for one and i suggest your look yourself i have few sites that states less than 50cm for this guy. and perhaps most importantly, that agree with the web site post of many keepers. planet cat fish does say 30cm., though so does Wickipedia for what that's worth.
http/www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_Common_..._Liposarcus.php
http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/compleco.htm
http/www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/f...lecostomus.html
http/www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Pleco.htm
http/aquasamit.blogspot.com/2007/03/sami...uarium-039.html
http/aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=75
http/www.timstropicals.com/FreshwaterFis...tfish/Pleco.asp

though only two fish show up in these links, with the exception of one, they all state that these fish can, if looked after properly, which is mainly giving them enough room so they don't stunt, get to 20 inches. the main reason for problem with plecos is the lack of room, telling people it wont happen, can only cause the problem to worsen. your common may not grow to 20 or more inches. however it is true that they can, therefore when looking at a purchase, you must assume that they will. if it happens or not is academic, you should be prepared.

 

[xingumike]

Lol half of those have the wrong genus of fish in the picture compared with the decription. I'll stick with fishbase and PC (although i know that some of PC's sizes are a little out) until someone can show me a picture with one measured.

In general Gibbys get bigger than 'commons' imho, you are the only person i have ever heard dispute that.

 

[smithrc]

Lol half of those have the wrong genus of fish in the picture compared with the decription. I'll stick with fishbase and PC (although i know that some of PC's sizes are a little out) until someone can show me a picture with one measured.

In general Gibbys get bigger than 'commons' imho, you are the only person i have ever heard dispute that.

I'm with Mike -Gibbys generally get to larger sizes than "commons"

 

[raptorrex]

Lol half of those have the wrong genus of fish in the picture compared with the decription. I'll stick with fishbase and PC (although i know that some of PC's sizes are a little out) until someone can show me a picture with one measured.

In general Gibbys get bigger than 'commons' imho, you are the only person i have ever heard dispute that.

i am sure you are right, however it seem likely that these guys can, however occasionally, reach 20+inches, i see no reason to say they cant, and unless you are the world authority on Plecos, given the evedence around, it is actually wrong to say they can't. lol in 3 or so years time we will see, mine will be 5 then and i should have some nice pictures for you. that's if you are still involved in fish-keeping. these guys can live to 30+ years, or so we are told. that is of course unless you disagree.

smithrc, i never said gibby did not grow larger than commons, i simply stated that there was evedence, lots, that these guy can reach 20 if not 24 inches.

 

[xingumike]

i am sure you are right

Thanks

however it seem likely that these guys can, however occasionally, reach 20+inches, i see no reason to say they cant

When did i say that?

and unless you are the world authority on Plecos, given the evedence around, it is actually wrong to say they can't.

No, i am a hobbyist like you, not an icthyologist. I never stated they couldn't reach that size i am just yet to see evidence they can and i don't consider any of your links substantial enough to change that view

smithrc, i never said gibby did not grow larger than commons.

see below

yup, even bigger than a 'common'

nope not quite

 

[Darkstar]

lol, funny thread....Mike is right though (as usual) as Smithrc has already stated.